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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    I was thinking it was 6 for when the marriage ceremony was, but given the context of the discussion the consummation would be the more important part to focus on.
    What makes this even more complicated is the East Asian age reckoning schemes - a baby is born at "age 1", having been nearly a year in the womb. (we would say the baby is born at age 0, and start incrementing the months until the first birthday) And since 'age' is often incremented on the first day of the lunar or solar year, a baby born in December (at age 1) can become "age 2" in just a few weeks, though the baby would be seen as 2 months old by our method.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    They can, but IIRC the Muslim one(s) do(es) not.
    Seems strange that they would break with long standing practice in the Middle East ... so ... checking ... The Islamic calendar is Lunisolar over a 30 year cycle. Leap years add 1 day/month.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Seems strange that they would break with long standing practice in the Middle East ... so ... checking ... The Islamic calendar is Lunisolar over a 30 year cycle. Leap years add 1 day/month.
    Ramadan still wanders quite a bit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Ramadan still wanders quite a bit.
    Yes - year on year there will be discrepancies. I think 11 days where 2 ordinary years are back to back - it would be 22 days when there are 3 ordinary years back to back. The corrections only bring into things in line with the solar calendar every 30th year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Yes - year on year there will be discrepancies. I think 11 days where 2 ordinary years are back to back - it would be 22 days when there are 3 ordinary years back to back. The corrections only bring into things in line with the solar calendar every 30th year.
    So on a 9-year scale, as we're talking about here, thinks can be relatively far off.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    So on a 9-year scale, as we're talking about here, thinks can be relatively far off.
    Apologies for the misinformation

    The Tabular Islamic Calendar

    To make Islamic time reckoning more predictable and less dependent on lunar observations, Muslim scholars developed the Tabular Islamic calendar in the 8th century CE. This system uses arithmetical rules to determine the length of each month and inserts leap days on a regular basis.

    Like in the traditional version, each year has 12 months. However, their length is predetermined: months with uneven numbers have 30 days, while months with even numbers have 29 days.

    In a leap year, a day is added to the 12th and final month, Dhu 'l-Hidjdja, making it 30 days long. Common years in the Tabular Islamic calendar have 354 days, while leap years are 355 days long.


    That from a more academic source. Every second or 3rd year is a leap year, so the calendar drift isn't that great. However, Ramadan is tied to the crescent moon of the 9th month, so it will wander as much as Easter does, more or less.

    And now for the next problem - this way of doing things was introduced 200 years after Muhammed.

    11 days short every year - Over 12 years it would amount to 132 days (about 4 months) short.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Ramadan still wanders quite a bit.
    Every year it is something like 10 or 11 days earlier than the previous year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Apologies for the misinformation

    The Tabular Islamic Calendar

    To make Islamic time reckoning more predictable and less dependent on lunar observations, Muslim scholars developed the Tabular Islamic calendar in the 8th century CE. This system uses arithmetical rules to determine the length of each month and inserts leap days on a regular basis.

    Like in the traditional version, each year has 12 months. However, their length is predetermined: months with uneven numbers have 30 days, while months with even numbers have 29 days.

    In a leap year, a day is added to the 12th and final month, Dhu 'l-Hidjdja, making it 30 days long. Common years in the Tabular Islamic calendar have 354 days, while leap years are 355 days long.


    That from a more academic source. Every second or 3rd year is a leap year, so the calendar drift isn't that great. However, Ramadan is tied to the crescent moon of the 9th month, so it will wander as much as Easter does, more or less.

    And now for the next problem - this way of doing things was introduced 200 years after Muhammed.

    11 days short every year - Over 12 years it would amount to 132 days (about 4 months) short.
    Considerably more. Easter is going to be in either March or April whereas Ramadan cycles around the calendar.


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    I know Muslims are often quite eager to confuse the issue of the age of Mohammed's bride because they know how poorly it reflects on their prophet in modern culture if he were guilty of having sex with a prepubescent girl.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    I know Muslims are often quite eager to confuse the issue of the age of Mohammed's bride because they know how poorly it reflects on their prophet in modern culture if he were guilty of having sex with a prepubescent girl.
    I don't think Muslims much care about how poorly anything reflects in modern culture, though they may give such caring lip service.
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