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  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    Once again, dummy.
    Jimmy! I thought you were on vacation!!!
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
      You and Sparko are a regular Laurel and Hardy double act.
      You realize that would be FOUR people, eh?

      Now, how bout saying something really dumb and dramaqueenish....

      Interesting that you feel the need to reinforce each others non-arguments rather than actually engage with your interlocutor . It is so obvious that you are unable. .

      Thanks.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        You and Sparko are a regular Laurel and Hardy double act.

        Interesting that you feel the need to reinforce each others non-arguments rather than actually engage with your interlocutor . It is so obvious that you are unable. .
        You couldn't interlocute if your life depended on it, troll.

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        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
          Once again, dummy. There is ‘right and wrong’ according to the values of a given community; there is demonstrably NO absolute ‘right and wrong’ in an eternal sense…otherwise our society would still be killing witches and discriminating against black people.

          Hence It is “right” for certain Muslims to toss homosexuals of roof tops as per their current community values. It is “wrong” for members of our own Western Democracies to do the same or similar re incarcerating homosexuals, as per our current community values.
          So you think it is OK for muslims to kill gays? wow. What about muslims blowing up people with bombs or running them down with trucks? That's OK too, right, because their morals say it is so.

          Your idea of morality is nothing more than local laws Tassy. If it is legal to toss gays off of a bridge in Tassmeckistan, then it is legal, and if it is illegal here, then it is illegal. derp.

          What happens if you disagree with a law, Tassman? What happens if they revoke Roe v Wade, for instance and it is then illegal to have an abortion? Does that mean that it is now immoral to have an abortion because our society says it is? Does that mean your morals will change too?

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          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            You couldn't interlocute if your life depended on it, troll.
            I don't know why, but that made me literally laugh out loud. And the boy thinks he's SO CLEVER.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              So you think it is OK for muslims to kill gays? wow. What about muslims blowing up people with bombs or running them down with trucks? That's OK too, right, because their morals say it is so.
              I’m saying there is NO absolute ‘right and wrong’ in an eternal sense…otherwise our society would still be killing witches and discriminating against black people with biblical justification as they once did.

              Your idea of morality is nothing more than local laws Tassy.
              So, what is your idea of morality, Sparko? Spell it out for us.

              What happens if you disagree with a law, Tassman?
              You seek community support in an attempt to change the existing law, this has happened throughout history. Obviously, it has. The laws we have today are quite different in many areas to the laws of our community 1 or 2 centuries ago.

              What happens if they revoke Roe v Wade, for instance and it is then illegal to have an abortion? Does that mean that it is now immoral to have an abortion because our society says it is? Does that mean your morals will change too?
              They demonstrably have changed with regard to abortion, including among Evangelicals. “There was a time when different viewpoints were accepted and respected and did not serve as a litmus test to determine who was a “real” Christian. A time when many evangelicals thought that the United States Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision might be considered a good and compassionate ruling as it overturned the varied restrictive abortion laws of the states that so often drove desperate women to seek out illegal, unsafe, “back-alley” abortions”.

              https://eewc.com/evangelicals-open-d...iews-abortion/
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                I’m saying there is NO absolute ‘right and wrong’ in an eternal sense…otherwise our society would still be killing witches and discriminating against black people with biblical justification as they once did.



                So, what is your idea of morality, Sparko? Spell it out for us.



                You seek community support in an attempt to change the existing law, this has happened throughout history. Obviously, it has. The laws we have today are quite different in many areas to the laws of our community 1 or 2 centuries ago.



                They demonstrably have changed with regard to abortion, including among Evangelicals. “There was a time when different viewpoints were accepted and respected and did not serve as a litmus test to determine who was a “real” Christian. A time when many evangelicals thought that the United States Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision might be considered a good and compassionate ruling as it overturned the varied restrictive abortion laws of the states that so often drove desperate women to seek out illegal, unsafe, “back-alley” abortions”.

                https://eewc.com/evangelicals-open-d...iews-abortion/
                Six questions and you can only answer one. The only one that doesn't require you either change your position, or accept that you have no basis to critique other moral views. All the others you dodged.

                No surprise. I pity you.
                ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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                • Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
                  Six questions and you can only answer one. The only one that doesn't require you either change your position, or accept that you have no basis to critique other moral views. All the others you dodged.
                  You have entirely missed the point. There IS no basis to "critique other moral views" other than we don’t, as a community, agree with them. Morality has evolved over the millennia, including so-called absolute moral values.
                  Last edited by Tassman; 06-15-2019, 05:14 AM.
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    You have entirely missed the point. There IS no basis to "critique other moral views" other than we don’t, as a community, agree with them. Morality has evolved over the millennia, including so-called absolute moral values.
                    That load of nonsense has been thoroughly shown incoherent in the thread. Still can't answer the questions.
                    ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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                    • Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
                      That load of nonsense has been thoroughly shown incoherent in the thread. .
                      Nope, it hasn't.
                      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                        I’m saying there is NO absolute ‘right and wrong’ in an eternal sense…otherwise our society would still be killing witches and discriminating against black people with biblical justification as they once did.



                        So, what is your idea of morality, Sparko? Spell it out for us.



                        You seek community support in an attempt to change the existing law, this has happened throughout history. Obviously, it has. The laws we have today are quite different in many areas to the laws of our community 1 or 2 centuries ago.



                        They demonstrably have changed with regard to abortion, including among Evangelicals. “There was a time when different viewpoints were accepted and respected and did not serve as a litmus test to determine who was a “real” Christian. A time when many evangelicals thought that the United States Supreme Court’s 1973 Roe v. Wade decision might be considered a good and compassionate ruling as it overturned the varied restrictive abortion laws of the states that so often drove desperate women to seek out illegal, unsafe, “back-alley” abortions”.

                        https://eewc.com/evangelicals-open-d...iews-abortion/
                        So Tassman, do your morals flow with the law? If abortions are illegal where you are, do you then consider abortions immoral? No, you don't.

                        You have Phuket, Thailand as your part time location in your profile. Abortion except in the case of rape or the health of the mother is illegal in Thailand. The same in Sydney, with some additional parameters like "economic factors" . Yet you have been arguing for abortion to be a right for any reason up to when a fetus has "a brain" - You are at odds with your own societies. Yet you claim that morals are set by the society. By your own definition, your views on abortion are immoral.

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                        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          you claim that morals are set by the society. .
                          That's only 1 Tassman 4:6, please take the full statement into account, in context:

                          7 when I like them and particularly if they make Christianity look bad.
                          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                          .
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                          Scripture before Tradition:
                          but that won't prevent others from
                          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                          of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            So Tassman, do your morals flow with the law? If abortions are illegal where you are, do you then consider abortions immoral? No, you don't.

                            You have Phuket, Thailand as your part time location in your profile. Abortion except in the case of rape or the health of the mother is
                            In Thailand “Women have been effectively free to end unwanted pregnancies for about a decade under a little-advertised legal amendment”.

                            http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/2...l-may-thought/

                            The same in Sydney, with some additional parameters like "economic factors" . Yet you have been arguing for abortion to be a right for any reason up to when a fetus has "a brain"
                            Not at all.

                            “The circumstances in which an abortion is lawful were
                            expanded in 1971 by a decision of the NSW District
                            Court [Sydney] in which Justice Levine said that an abortion was
                            not unlawful if a doctor honestly believed on reasonable
                            grounds that “the operation was necessary to preserve
                            the woman involved from serious danger to her life
                            or physical or mental health which the continuance of
                            pregnancy would entail” (R v Wald [1971])”.

                            https://www.fpnsw.org.au/sites/defau...bortion_fs.pdf

                            In practice this means abortion on demand. But, as in the most of the Western world, the vast majority of abortions occur in the first trimester.

                            - You are at odds with your own societies. Yet you claim that morals are set by the society. By your own definition, your views on abortion are immoral.
                            Well I'm not actually. But regardless, my argument is NOT that we are permanently bound by the laws of society, this would imply that they are ‘absolute’ and my argument is that moral values are NOT absolute. Social values are fluid and constantly evolving. If one feels then to be wrong then one advocates for change.
                            Last edited by Tassman; 06-18-2019, 02:59 AM.
                            “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                            • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                              That's only 1 Tassman 4:6, please take the full statement into account, in context:

                              7 when I like them and particularly if they make Christianity look bad.
                              Crass cynicism does not suit you, tabibito.
                              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                                In Thailand “Women have been effectively free to end unwanted pregnancies for about a decade under a little-advertised legal amendment”.

                                http://www.khaosodenglish.com/news/2...l-may-thought/



                                Not at all.

                                “The circumstances in which an abortion is lawful were
                                expanded in 1971 by a decision of the NSW District
                                Court [Sydney] in which Justice Levine said that an abortion was
                                not unlawful if a doctor honestly believed on reasonable
                                grounds that “the operation was necessary to preserve
                                the woman involved from serious danger to her life
                                or physical or mental health which the continuance of
                                pregnancy would entail” (R v Wald [1971])”.

                                https://www.fpnsw.org.au/sites/defau...bortion_fs.pdf

                                In practice this means abortion on demand. But, as in the most of the Western world, the vast majority of abortions occur in the first trimester.



                                Well I'm not actually. But regardless, my argument is NOT that we are permanently bound by the laws of society, this would imply that they are ‘absolute’ and my argument is that moral values are NOT absolute. Social values are fluid and constantly evolving. If one feels then to be wrong then one advocates for change.

                                Laws are based on social values Tassman. They are for the most part, legislating moral codes and values. And here you are showing that you don't agree with the law. You agree with "abortion on demand" even if it takes creating some loopholes in the law like the Doctor twisting the definition of health of the mother to mean "just wants an abortion"

                                again you argue for your own morality, and not that of your society which is codified by law. You can't keep your story straight.

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