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So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostAs I said, I remember the discussion well, no "selective quoting and misrepresentation" necessary.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostFor the same reason we make it a crime, because children are deemed to be unable to make reasoned choices and can be emotionally harmed. Thats why we have age of consent laws< Sparko.
If they are sane and having sex with children or even desiring it, then they are evil. Unless of course you think it is perfectly normal?
My question wasn't what it is that you believe to be wrong, which is the question you answered. My question to you was why do you think a thing (such as pedophilia) is considered to be wrong?
I answered, now lets see if you can do the same without the evasion.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostI repeat: “IF such thoughts result significant distress or impairment of personal functioning then they are categorized as a mental disorder best treated by a therapist. IF they do NOT cause significant distress or impairment of personal functioning then they are NOT categorized as a mental disorder.
However, IF desires of non-consensual sex with ANYONE are ever acted upon (and by definition underage individuals can NEVER give informed consent), the perpetrators must face the full consequences of the law…usually incarceration.
So according to your definition above, the one who has significant distress or impairment about their urges and knows they are wrong and who seeks out a therapist to get help is categorized as having a mental disorder.
Yet the second guy who has the same urges, but is not distressed by them and actually enjoys fantasizing about having sex with children and PLANS on doing it one day soon, does NOT have a mental disorder.
Do you see how reprobate and sick your claims are?
Your claim is complete nonsense. And disgusting.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI agree Jim. And they can be physically harmed.
"Why it's wrong" has nothing to do with the motivation behind what people who do it have, Jim. But they either are mentally ill (something is wrong with their brain) to want to do it, or they are just evil people. What other motivation can you come up with?
I agree with your answer Jim.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostGood, then you understand that pedophilia has nothing to do with ones sanity, it has to do with the law and the protection of children. Pedophilia could be the act of a perfectly sane person. Although after agreeing with me on this, you then go on to contradict yourself claiming it to be mental illness.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by JimL View PostGood, then you understand that pedophilia has nothing to do with ones sanity, it has to do with the law and the protection of children. Pedophilia could be the act of a perfectly sane person. Although after agreeing with me on this, you then go on to contradict yourself claiming it to be mental illness.
A normal person doesn't want to have sex with children Jimmy. Do you agree with that?
Anyone who does is not normal. They are either sane and evil or sick and insane. I can't think of any other motive for having such urges and desires. Can you?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe reason pedophilia is wrong has nothing to do with one's sanity, true, but the reason there ARE pedophiles in the world does, Jimmy.
A normal person doesn't want to have sex with children Jimmy. Do you agree with that?
Anyone who does is not normal. They are either sane and evil or sick and insane. I can't think of any other motive for having such urges and desires. Can you?
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Originally posted by JimL View PostYou are confusing normalcy with sanity, one can be sane and have what we would call abnormal behavior. 'Normal is whatever society says it is.' Sigmund Freud!
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYet, you seem to think that Sparko will be reduced to tears by the drama queen ranting of an anti-Christian bigot who routinely spews forth false allegations?
Tassman, you seem especially unstable today --- need a tissue?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYet in my hypothetical NEITHER one had actually acted upon their urges.
So according to your definition above, the one who has significant distress or impairment about their urges and knows they are wrong and who seeks out a therapist to get help is categorized as having a mental disorder.
Yet the second guy who has the same urges, but is not distressed by them and actually enjoys fantasizing about having sex with children and PLANS on doing it one day soon, does NOT have a mental disorder.
Do you see how reprobate and sick your claims are?
Your claim is complete nonsense. And disgusting.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostA normal, sane person doesn't want to have sex with children Jimmy. Do you agree with that?
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostBut you erroneously claimed that one of them would act on their urges given half the chance. This comes under the heading of “impairment of personal functioning” and is clearly a mental disorder, as I’ve said several times.
So the guy who enjoys his pedophilic urges and fantasies does not have a mental disorder unless he actually does act on them according to you.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostNo Tassman, you clearly said that only behaviors count. Planning is not a behavior, it is thinking. fantasizing, which you already said was normal, and was only a mental disorder if they were distressed about it.
If they do NOT cause significant distress or impairment of personal functioning [as defined above] then they are NOT categorized as a mental disorder”.
So the guy who enjoys his pedophilic urges and fantasies does not have a mental disorder unless he actually does act on them according to you.Last edited by Tassman; 04-20-2019, 12:10 AM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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