So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?

[Zymologist]

Yes indeed given CP’s history, as with Sparko, of selective quoting and misrepresentation of what was said.

As I said, I remember the discussion well, no "selective quoting and misrepresentation" necessary.

[Cow Poke]

As I said, I remember the discussion well, no "selective quoting and misrepresentation" necessary.

Actually, there was some selective quoting and misrepresentation when Tassy kept throwing that poor gay man under the bus, falsely accusing him of defending NAMBLA.

[Sparko]

For the same reason we make it a crime, because children are deemed to be unable to make reasoned choices and can be emotionally harmed. Thats why we have age of consent laws< Sparko.

I agree Jim. And they can be physically harmed.

If they are sane and having sex with children or even desiring it, then they are evil. Unless of course you think it is perfectly normal?

You're a very simple minded fellow there, Sparko. For one thing, sanity has nothing to do with it, and why it is wrong I've already explained. Normal btw, is what we as a people determine to be normal. Sigmund Freud!

"Why it's wrong" has nothing to do with the motivation behind what people who do it have, Jim. But they either are mentally ill (something is wrong with their brain) to want to do it, or they are just evil people. What other motivation can you come up with?

My question wasn't what it is that you believe to be wrong, which is the question you answered. My question to you was why do you think a thing (such as pedophilia) is considered to be wrong?

I agree with your answer Jim.

I answered, now lets see if you can do the same without the evasion.

done!

[Sparko]

I repeat: “IF such thoughts result significant distress or impairment of personal functioning then they are categorized as a mental disorder best treated by a therapist. IF they do NOT cause significant distress or impairment of personal functioning then they are NOT categorized as a mental disorder.

However, IF desires of non-consensual sex with ANYONE are ever acted upon (and by definition underage individuals can NEVER give informed consent), the perpetrators must face the full consequences of the law…usually incarceration.

Yet in my hypothetical NEITHER one had actually acted upon their urges.

So according to your definition above, the one who has significant distress or impairment about their urges and knows they are wrong and who seeks out a therapist to get help is categorized as having a mental disorder.
Yet the second guy who has the same urges, but is not distressed by them and actually enjoys fantasizing about having sex with children and PLANS on doing it one day soon, does NOT have a mental disorder.

Do you see how reprobate and sick your claims are?

Your claim is complete nonsense. And disgusting.

[JimL]

I agree Jim. And they can be physically harmed.




"Why it's wrong" has nothing to do with the motivation behind what people who do it have, Jim. But they either are mentally ill (something is wrong with their brain) to want to do it, or they are just evil people. What other motivation can you come up with?


I agree with your answer Jim.
done!

Good, then you understand that pedophilia has nothing to do with ones sanity, it has to do with the law and the protection of children. Pedophilia could be the act of a perfectly sane person. Although after agreeing with me on this, you then go on to contradict yourself claiming it to be mental illness.

[Cow Poke]

Good, then you understand that pedophilia has nothing to do with ones sanity, it has to do with the law and the protection of children. Pedophilia could be the act of a perfectly sane person. Although after agreeing with me on this, you then go on to contradict yourself claiming it to be mental illness.

Says the boy who vigorously defended NAMBLA, and mocked the concept of age of consent.

[Sparko]

Good, then you understand that pedophilia has nothing to do with ones sanity, it has to do with the law and the protection of children. Pedophilia could be the act of a perfectly sane person. Although after agreeing with me on this, you then go on to contradict yourself claiming it to be mental illness.

The reason pedophilia is wrong has nothing to do with one's sanity, true, but the reason there ARE pedophiles in the world does, Jimmy.

A normal person doesn't want to have sex with children Jimmy. Do you agree with that?

Anyone who does is not normal. They are either sane and evil or sick and insane. I can't think of any other motive for having such urges and desires. Can you?

[JimL]

The reason pedophilia is wrong has nothing to do with one's sanity, true, but the reason there ARE pedophiles in the world does, Jimmy.

A normal person doesn't want to have sex with children Jimmy. Do you agree with that?

Anyone who does is not normal. They are either sane and evil or sick and insane. I can't think of any other motive for having such urges and desires. Can you?

You are confusing normalcy with sanity, one can be sane and have what we would call abnormal behavior. 'Normal is whatever society says it is.' Sigmund Freud!

[Sparko]

You are confusing normalcy with sanity, one can be sane and have what we would call abnormal behavior. 'Normal is whatever society says it is.' Sigmund Freud!

A normal, sane person doesn't want to have sex with children Jimmy. Do you agree with that?

[Tassman]

Yet, you seem to think that Sparko will be reduced to tears by the drama queen ranting of an anti-Christian bigot who routinely spews forth false allegations?

Did I say or imply he would be "reduced to tears"?

Tassman, you seem especially unstable today --- need a tissue?

You're hysterical today, reverend, get a grip.

[Tassman]

Yet in my hypothetical NEITHER one had actually acted upon their urges.

But you erroneously claimed that one of them would act on their urges given half the chance. This comes under the heading of “impairment of personal functioning” and is clearly a mental disorder, as I’ve said several times.

So according to your definition above, the one who has significant distress or impairment about their urges and knows they are wrong and who seeks out a therapist to get help is categorized as having a mental disorder.
Yet the second guy who has the same urges, but is not distressed by them and actually enjoys fantasizing about having sex with children and PLANS on doing it one day soon, does NOT have a mental disorder.

See above.

Do you see how reprobate and sick your claims are?

What I see is how much you enjoy being morally outraged, even though you’ve got it so wrong.

Your claim is complete nonsense. And disgusting.

Having fun?

[JimL]

A normal, sane person doesn't want to have sex with children Jimmy. Do you agree with that?

Again, you're equating normalcy with sanity. Sane people do what society deems abnormal all the time. Sane people have sex with children all the time, we call them pedophiles.

[Sparko]

But you erroneously claimed that one of them would act on their urges given half the chance. This comes under the heading of “impairment of personal functioning” and is clearly a mental disorder, as I’ve said several times.

No Tassman, you clearly said that only behaviors count. Planning is not a behavior, it is thinking. fantasizing, which you already said was normal, and was only a mental disorder if they were distressed about it.

So the guy who enjoys his pedophilic urges and fantasies does not have a mental disorder unless he actually does act on them according to you.

[Sparko]

Again, you're equating normalcy with sanity. Sane people do what society deems abnormal all the time. Sane people have sex with children all the time, we call them pedophiles.

And are they good or bad sane people JimL?

[Tassman]

No Tassman, you clearly said that only behaviors count. Planning is not a behavior, it is thinking. fantasizing, which you already said was normal, and was only a mental disorder if they were distressed about it.

For the umpteenth time, what I said was that the standard psychological criteria for what constitute a mental disorder is: “IF such thoughts result in significant distress [i.e. emotional distress] or impairment of personal functioning [i.e. socially unacceptable behavior] then they are categorized as a mental disorder best treated by a therapist.

If they do NOT cause significant distress or impairment of personal functioning [as defined above] then they are NOT categorized as a mental disorder”.

So the guy who enjoys his pedophilic urges and fantasies does not have a mental disorder unless he actually does act on them according to you.

He’s a ‘creep’, IMHO, as previously stated but technically no more mentally disordered than an Evangelical guy that spends an inordinate amount of time enjoying porn about sexy women on line. So, is a guy who does this mentally ill according to you?