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  • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    So a matter of degree? Let's say someone regularly fantasizes about having sex with children or raping women. Is that normal?
    I repeat: IF such thoughts result significant distress or impairment of personal functioning then they are categorized as a mental disorder best treated by a therapist. IF such fantasies are acted upon, then the perpetrators must face the full consequences of the law.
    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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    • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
      He is being accused of "demeaning and disrespectful behavior”. The term “sexual harassment” is a politically motivated overstatement of what happened…as is generally recognized given that it hasn’t affected Biden’s standing in the polls.
      The definition of sexual harassment is "unwelcome and inappropriate sexual remarks or physical advances"




      Well with MY granny and senior relatives it is (or was) the full hug and stroking of hair. I never liked it but accepted it because it came from a kind place. It was never sexual behavior and neither was Biden's.



      You have a dirty mind, no one has accused Biden of “feeling up" women.
      sniffing hair, putting his hands under a breast, kissing the back of their head, rubbing noses with them. Sounds like feeling up to me.


      Unwanted kissing on the lips (with or without tic-tacs), grabbing women’s genitals, attempting to **** married women or having sexual relations with porn-stars whilst the wife sleeps in the next room, has NEVER been a “normal” way to treat women. Biden has not been accused of any of these things; Trump boasts about them. .
      You just have a double standard. We have photos of Biden's inappropriate touching yet you excuse it. At the same time you condemn Trump for mere bragging without any evidence.

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      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        I repeat: IF such thoughts result significant distress or impairment of personal functioning then they are categorized as a mental disorder best treated by a therapist. IF such fantasies are acted upon, then the perpetrators must face the full consequences of the law.
        You are dodging the question. Do you think a pedophile is distressed that he is a pedophile? They ENJOY what they are doing! That is what makes them a pedophile. Heck if they were distressed by it, then they might actually be sane enough to seek help.

        So if someone regularly fantasizes about having sex with children or raping women. Is that normal?

        Yes or no?

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        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          The definition of sexual harassment is "unwelcome and inappropriate sexual remarks or physical advances"




          sniffing hair, putting his hands under a breast, kissing the back of their head, rubbing noses with them. Sounds like feeling up to me.




          You just have a double standard. We have photos of Biden's inappropriate touching yet you excuse it.
          And yet the “victims” of all this “groping”, “rubbing noses” and “feeling up” by “putting his hands under a breast”, have never referred to sexual abuse. Only Biden’s enemies have. All that the “victims” have complained of is "demeaning and disrespectful behavior” from Joe Biden, not sexual harassment.

          At the same time you condemn Trump for mere bragging without any evidence.
          It is “bragging” which is consistent with Trump’s known history of adulterous behavior and known cavorting with porn stars and Playboy Bunnies…not to mention the allegations of sexual aggression from 19 victims including an underage girl at one of notorious pedophile Jeffrey Epstein parties.

          Such behavior as this is notably absent from Biden's long history in public life.
          “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            You are dodging the question.
            I’m not “dodging the question”, what I’m doing is resisting your absurdly simplistic approach to a serious issue in trying to restrict sexual obsessions (of which there are many different types) just to pedophiles who are unable to control their symptoms. Many can and do.

            Do you think a pedophile is distressed that he is a pedophile? They ENJOY what they are doing! That is what makes them a pedophile.
            No, what makes them a pedophile is their preference for sex with underage people. Some people (heterosexual or homosexual) have occasional urges for underage sex, just as some heterosexuals have occasional urges for same-sex encounters or lascivious thoughts about forced sex with beautiful women. Provided these passing fantasies are under control they are not a problem.

            Heck if they were distressed by it, then they might actually be sane enough to seek help.
            Why do you assume they don’t seek help? They frequently do seek professional help, as do many people suffering from various different forms of obsessive sexual ideation that impact negatively on their lives.

            So if someone regularly fantasizes about having sex with children or raping women. Is that normal?

            Yes or no?
            You and your “yes or no” to a complex subject.

            Again, if such thoughts result in significant distress or impairment of personal functioning because they are obsessive and out of control, then clearly they are not normal and require professional help…as I’ve said several times.
            “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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            • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
              And yet the “victims” of all this “groping”, “rubbing noses” and “feeling up” by “putting his hands under a breast”, have never referred to sexual abuse. .
              Do you think nobody notices you keep trying to swap out terms? I said "harassment" NOT "abuse"

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              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                It is “bragging” which is consistent with Trump’s known history of adulterous behavior and known cavorting with porn stars and Playboy Bunnies…not to mention the allegations of sexual aggression from 19 victims including an underage girl at one of notorious pedophile Jeffrey Epstein parties.

                Such behavior as this is notably absent from Biden's long history in public life.
                Cavorting with porn stars would be consensual. Allegations of "sexual aggression" were all withdrawn. With Biden we have allegations and actual video and photos. So it is clear you excuse Biden and condemn Trump. Double-standard.

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                • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                  I’m not “dodging the question”, what I’m doing is resisting your absurdly simplistic approach to a serious issue in trying to restrict sexual obsessions (of which there are many different types) just to pedophiles who are unable to control their symptoms. Many can and do.



                  No, what makes them a pedophile is their preference for sex with underage people. Some people (heterosexual or homosexual) have occasional urges for underage sex, just as some heterosexuals have occasional urges for same-sex encounters or lascivious thoughts about forced sex with beautiful women. Provided these passing fantasies are under control they are not a problem.



                  Why do you assume they don’t seek help? They frequently do seek professional help, as do many people suffering from various different forms of obsessive sexual ideation that impact negatively on their lives.



                  You and your “yes or no” to a complex subject.

                  Again, if such thoughts result in significant distress or impairment of personal functioning because they are obsessive and out of control, then clearly they are not normal and require professional help…as I’ve said several times.
                  So basically you know it is abnormal to have fantasies about sex with children, but you refuse to admit it because you don't want to admit that we are correct. At the same time you have an agenda to protect so you won't come out and say it is "normal" but you want to imply it.

                  You are so transparent Tassman.

                  No, Tassman, normal people do not have fantasies or urges for underage sex. That is abnormal. And normal heterosexuals don't have urges for homosexual sex or rape. Those are all abnormal desires and urges. And sick.

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                  • I can't take Tassman seriously at all on this topic **. He can't give any consistent basis for moral behaviour in this area from within his own worldview. That gives him no grounds to criticise anyone else. So I don't see any reason to care what he thinks of Trump or Biden or anyone else's moral behaviour in this area. He's shown himself to be completely confused about it.

                    Guess we should just follow the great example of 'our closest relative' the chimpanzee.



                    ** Actually on pretty much any topic for that matter. How's the 'Jesus myth' stuff going?
                    ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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                    • Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
                      I can't take Tassman seriously at all on this topic **. He can't give any consistent basis for moral behaviour in this area from within his own worldview. That gives him no grounds to criticise anyone else. So I don't see any reason to care what he thinks of Trump or Biden or anyone else's moral behaviour in this area. He's shown himself to be completely confused about it.

                      Guess we should just follow the great example of 'our closest relative' the chimpanzee.



                      ** Actually on pretty much any topic for that matter. How's the 'Jesus myth' stuff going?
                      Tassman mostly just trolls here. Nothing he says makes sense and he just keeps repeating himself.

                      He is either a complete moron or trolling. I just give him the benefit of the doubt and say "trolling"

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                      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        Tassman mostly just trolls here. Nothing he says makes sense and he just keeps repeating himself.

                        He is either a complete moron or trolling. I just give him the benefit of the doubt and say "trolling"
                        Maybe he is just hoping for that "tell a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth" thing to kick in.
                        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                        Scripture before Tradition:
                        but that won't prevent others from
                        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                        of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          So basically you know it is abnormal to have fantasies about sex with children, but you refuse to admit it because you don't want to admit that we are correct. At the same time you have an agenda to protect so you won't come out and say it is "normal" but you want to imply it.
                          Tell us how it is that you know what is and isn't normal, Sparko. For instance in the above case?
                          You are so transparent Tassman.

                          No, Tassman, normal people do not have fantasies or urges for underage sex. That is abnormal. And normal heterosexuals don't have urges for homosexual sex or rape. Those are all abnormal desires and urges. And sick.
                          How do you know? What makes a thing normal or abnormal in your opinion?

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                          • Normal usually means usual. Or should that be, normal normally means usual?
                            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                            .
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                            Scripture before Tradition:
                            but that won't prevent others from
                            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                            of the right to call yourself Christian.

                            ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                            • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                              Tell us how it is that you know what is and isn't normal, Sparko. For instance in the above case?
                              When was the last time you fantasized about having sex with children, or raping women JimL? If it is normal I am sure you have had such urges, right? Tell us about them.


                              How do you know? What makes a thing normal or abnormal in your opinion?
                              What most civilized people who are not insane do is normal. Typical of the species.

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                              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                When was the last time you fantasized about having sex with children, or raping women JimL? If it is normal I am sure you have had such urges, right? Tell us about them.



                                What most civilized people who are not insane do is normal. Typical of the species.
                                That too
                                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                                .
                                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                                Scripture before Tradition:
                                but that won't prevent others from
                                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                                of the right to call yourself Christian.

                                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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