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  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
    And those changing morals which flow with society, change with the times, don't just change willy nilly, they change for "good reasons".
    Again, don't answer for Tassman. He doesn't believe in objective morals like you do.

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    • Originally posted by JimL View Post
      And those changing morals which flow with society, change with the times, don't just change willy nilly, they change for "good reasons".
      The point is that they do change, therefore arguing someone is morally wrong from within that worldview is essentially merely an expression of subjective opinion. And thus of no more interest, or value, than any other subjective opinion held by some stranger on the Net.
      ...>>> Witty remark or snarky quote of another poster goes here <<<...

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      • Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
        The point is that they do change, therefore arguing someone is morally wrong from within that worldview is essentially merely an expression of subjective opinion. And thus of no more interest, or value, than any other subjective opinion held by some stranger on the Net.
        Some subjective opinions are correct, and some are wrong.

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        • Originally posted by JimL View Post
          Some subjective opinions are correct, and some are wrong.
          Then they are not subjective.

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          • Originally posted by JimLamebrain View Post
            Some subjective opinions are correct, and some are wrong.
            Oh, come on, Jimmy, even you can't be this stupid. By definition, it is impossible to ascribe a truth value to a subjective opinion.

            And if you really are this stupid, well...
            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
            Than a fool in the eyes of God


            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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            • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              Oh, come on, Jimmy, even you can't be this stupid. By definition, it is impossible to ascribe a truth value to a subjective opinion.

              And if you really are this stupid, well...
              Remember, JimboLoony has been arguing that relative/subjective morals have been getting "better"

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              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                Then they are not subjective.
                Yes, but not in your sense of the terms. what is objectively true needn't derive from a divine source, or be absolute law. It is an objective fact that murder, rape, theft, etc etc are not in our best interests as a human community, and that has nothing to do with them having objective realities as divine laws in their own right.

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                • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                  Yes, but not in your sense of the terms. what is objectively true needn't derive from a divine source, or be absolute law. It is an objective fact that murder, rape, theft, etc etc are not in our best interests as a human community, and that has nothing to do with them having objective realities as divine laws in their own right.
                  So you believe morality is objective. Thanks for playing, but like I said, you shouldn't be answering for Tassman since he disagrees with you on the subject.

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                  • It turns out that air-conditioning is sexist because the customary temperature for the office environment is set at a level that is comfortable for men in suits leaving the poor women in their short skirts and cute tank tops to freeze. Also, we should give up air-conditioning because people in third-world countries get along just fine without it, and so should we. So says a writer from the New York Times, pecking away from the comfort of her air-conditioned cubicle.

                    It's curious that the article did not include details of the Times' new air-conditioner free policy as they lead the charge to right this wrong. Must have been an oversight.

                    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...-conditioning/
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                      It turns out that air-conditioning is sexist because the customary temperature for the office environment is set at a level that is comfortable for men in suits leaving the poor women in their short skirts and cute tank tops to freeze. Also, we should give up air-conditioning because people in third-world countries get along just fine without it, and so should we. So says a writer from the New York Times, pecking away from the comfort of her air-conditioned cubicle.

                      It's curious that the article did not include details of the Times' new air-conditioner free policy as they lead the charge to right this wrong. Must have been an oversight.

                      https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...-conditioning/
                      From Taylor Lorenz, a staff writer at The Atlantic:



                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        From Taylor Lorenz, a staff writer at The Atlantic:


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                        Just wait till these snowflake girls get older and start getting hot flashes!

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                        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          So you believe morality is objective. Thanks for playing, but like I said, you shouldn't be answering for Tassman since he disagrees with you on the subject.
                          Not answering for Tass, I'm answering you. Btw, what I believe is that there are modes of behavior relative to human society that are objectively more advantageous than there opposites. Murder, rape, theft etc etc. are immoral, not because their opposites are absolutes, writ in stone, divine laws, but simply because there opposites, the "thou shall nots" if you will, are behaviors that are more advantageous to human beings living in community together. Again, I understand that you believe they are, and that they must be divine laws, objective and absolute, but what "good behaviors" are, relative to human society, obviously need have nothing to do with a supernatural source in order that they better serve society than their opposites.
                          Last edited by JimL; 07-09-2019, 05:19 PM.

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                          • Jimmy seems to be arguing that morality is both subjective and objective at the same time and in the same sense.
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              So your standards are merely social preferences that can change and mean nothing ultimately.
                              The social standards I value are those that have been inculcated by our society and with which we have been acculturated by our culture. They can and do change over time and mean a great deal, they are the basis of our laws. And our laws have demonstrably changed over time.

                              The fact that the values and laws of today are quite different to the social values and laws of say, the Bronze Age means no more than we have developed and socially evolved since the tribal morality of that distant era.
                              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                              • Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                                The social standards I value are those that have been inculcated by our society and with which we have been acculturated by our culture. They can and do change over time and mean a great deal, they are the basis of our laws. And our laws have demonstrably changed over time.

                                The fact that the values and laws of today are quite different to the social values and laws of say, the Bronze Age means no more than we have developed and socially evolved since the tribal morality of that distant era.
                                Except all you're describing is modern tribal morality, so I'm not sure why you seem to be turning your nose up at your "Booze Age" ancestors.
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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