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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    ...We don't always get that right, and morality evolves as do we.....
    ...or devolves, as seems to be the case so often.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    The sex organs are also for giving pleasure, not just procreation.
    That's a side benefit that evolved to make attempts to procreation more desirable.

    Arguably the former is more common.
    That still doesn't speak to function though, just to benefit.


    “Abnormal” is usually understood as “deviating from what is normal or usual, typically in a way that is undesirable or worrying” – Merriam Webster.
    I think that narrows it down a little too much. Undesirable or worrying to who?

    Whilst this would apply to a person with Down’s Syndrome it does not apply to those with red hair, or ‘left-handed’ or, given our current state of knowledge, homosexual...all of which are just variations of the norm.
    Why does it apply to people with Down's Syndrome? Some live productive and fulfilling lives of service that put both of us to shame.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Just as “normal” heterosexuality can be used to defend rape and sexual exploitation of women such as grabbing their genitals.



    Or, more appropriately, reject any sexual behavior that results in victims, such as rape and pedophilia, and accept behavior that is based upon mutual consent and love.
    As you are someone who doesn't believe in objective morality, you can't complain about anything being wrong or immoral. Under your naturalistic world view, there is nothing actually wrong with pedophilia, grabbing genitalia, rape, etc. It is all natural behavior that has evolved over time. Anything you claim is wrong is merely a statement of your preferences and has no more weight than you stating your preference for which ice cream flavor is good and which is bad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    Actually she was 9 according to the sources. They used a lunar calendar at the time, which if I'm remembering right puts her around 6 under our solar calendar.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimLamebrain View Post
    If god can get it wrong, then how do you know when he gets it right? We as human beings decide what is in the best interests of ourselves and the society we live in. We don't always get that right, and morality evolves as do we. You attribute those changes to god, even though you call it an objective standard, I attribute them to human evolution.
    God can not get it wrong be definition, you dope. That's about as sophisticated a rejoinder as asking if an omnipotent God can create a rock too heavy for him to lift.

    But you avoided the question: if human society and reason can get it wrong with regards to morality, then what basis do you use to determine when we get it right? How do you know, for example, that we weren't right about homosexuality before, and we've gotten it wrong now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    Actually she was 9 according to the sources. They used a lunar calendar at the time, which if I'm remembering right puts her around 6 under our solar calendar.
    Lunar calendars aren't very accurate, but they're not off by nearly that much. In 9 years, you'd lose 3-4 months.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    IIRC she was 7 when they married and Muhammad was forced to wait until she was 9 to consummate the marriage due to a prolonged illness on her part.
    I was thinking it was 6 for when the marriage ceremony was, but given the context of the discussion the consummation would be the more important part to focus on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Lunar calendars aren't very accurate, but they're not off by nearly that much. In 9 years, you'd lose 3-4 months.
    I'll have to go back and check. I might be misremembering some figures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
    I'll have to go back and check. I might be misremembering some figures.
    Lunar calendars also have 13 month years to keep the calendar in step with the solar year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tabibito View Post
    Lunar calendars also have 13 month years to keep the calendar in step with the solar year.
    They can, but IIRC the Muslim one(s) do(es) not.
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