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Thread: So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Still doesn't answer the question. How do you know when society has gotten it "right" when what was morally and socially unacceptable yesterday becomes acceptable today, and could just as easily revert to unacceptable tomorrow?
    We basically come to that agreement, and over time we may learn differently and change our views just as you see happening throughout history. We evolve, we learn, we change our views.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Your typical response summed up nicely there Jimmy.


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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    We basically come to that agreement, and over time we may learn differently and change our views just as you see happening throughout history. We evolve, we learn, we change our views.
    Has it yet dawned on you that this supports my position and undermines yours?

    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    I guess we'll have to wait for your god to explain it to us.
    He already has. We just need to read the instruction manual.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Has it yet dawned on you that this supports my position and undermines yours?
    Has it dawned on you that you contradict yourself in your very next statement below.

    He already has. We just need to read the instruction manual.
    Really, so what does this manual tell us specifically about pedophilia?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Your typical response summed up nicely there Jimmy.
    Yes, my typical response to an irrelevant post.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tassman View Post
    Neither can you “complain about anything being wrong or immoral”. Your so-called objective morals of “God" were simply the subjective moral values of the day written by men and ascribed to their tribal deity to enforce compliance. Even then, they have been interpreted and adapted to conform to current moral values, e.g. the role of women in society.
    And yet we have a basis for morality and you don't. So your whining about "informed consent" and whether pedophilia is immoral is nothing but your personal opinion, based on your preferences and has no authority on anyone else. If a Pedophile decides that informed consent is not needed and that having sex with children is OK, then there is nothing objectively wrong with it. It is just his preferences vs yours. It would be like you complaining that chocolate is evil and someone else saying chocolate is good.

    You have been wasting your time on Theologyweb arguing morals that you believe don't even exist for years. Keeping you here has been the biggest trolling campaign in history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JimL View Post
    Yes, my typical response to an irrelevant post.
    Legally allowed consent of a minor is not irrelevant to a statement about the legal consent of a minor... indeed...


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  9. Amen Cow Poke, RumTumTugger amen'd this post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    At what age does a child attain the maturity to provide informed consent?
    At whatever age society and the law decide, apparently. As Jimmy said, "We evolve, we learn, we change our views."
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    Parents force children to do lots of things without informed consent. That's kind of their job. So "informed consent" doesn't seem to have anything to do with morality itself. It would be like saying a parent can't tell their child to go to bed at 9PM because the child can't give informed consent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    Parents force children to do lots of things without informed consent. That's kind of their job. So "informed consent" doesn't seem to have anything to do with morality itself. It would be like saying a parent can't tell their child to go to bed at 9PM because the child can't give informed consent.
    And what about medical care? It's up to the parents to provide consent on the child's behalf.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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