So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?

[Tassman]

Is your life so completely miserable and petty that you have nothing better to do than to hang out on a Christian-run website and spew forth your ignorance?

Stop whining.

You claim that the slew of passages in the bible such as 1 Timothy 2:11-12 (“Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet”), do NOT demand that women be submissive to men.

And yet in all Christian countries until relatively recently women were expected to be submissive to men. They did not have the vote, they could not own property and they were expected to confine themselves to home duties. This is still the case among some Evangelicals, such as the Quiverfull movement, and the group of Christian ideologies under the banner of Dominion theology.

Why is this?

[Bill the Cat]

Stop whining.

You claim that the slew of passages in the bible such as 1 Timothy 2:11-12 (“Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet”), do NOT demand that women be submissive to men.

And yet in all Christian countries until relatively recently women were expected to be submissive to men. They did not have the vote, they could not own property and they were expected to confine themselves to home duties. This is still the case among some Evangelicals, such as the Quiverfull movement, and the group of Christian ideologies under the banner of Dominion theology.

Why is this?

I guess the queens of England were "submissive" too?

[Cow Poke]

Stop whining.

Ah, doing the Drama Queen thing again, eh?

[Cow Poke]

You claim that the slew of passages in the bible such as 1 Timothy 2:11-12 (“Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet”), do NOT demand that women be submissive to men.

And yet in all Christian countries until relatively recently women were expected to be submissive to men. They did not have the vote, they could not own property and they were expected to confine themselves to home duties. This is still the case among some Evangelicals, such as the Quiverfull movement, and the group of Christian ideologies under the banner of Dominion theology.

Why is this?

I'll try one more time, and I'll type very slowly....

A) Christianity is an entirely volunteer organization.
2) These are INSTRUCTIONS to those who volunteer to be in that organization.
C) What is your fascination with these fringe groups of Christianity?

[Joel]

And yet in all Christian countries until relatively recently women were expected to be submissive to men. They did not have the vote, they could not own property and they were expected to confine themselves to home duties.

again and again. Hey everyone, remember how for 2,000 years families were wealthy enough that they could afford to have only one person in the family (the father) working, and the wife and kids had the luxury of not working to survive? Yeah, me neither.

[Tassman]

I guess the queens of England were "submissive" too?

The comparatively few “queens of England” only attained their status if there was absolutely no male successor to the throne. Even a young boy was considered preferable to an adult female, as per the boy king Edward VI, who preceded Elizabeth I.

[Tassman]

I'll try one more time, and I'll type very slowly...

You’re a laugh a minute CP.

A) Christianity is an entirely volunteer organization.

Sigh. Christianity has been the dominant religion in the western hemisphere for nearly 2,000 years.

2) These are INSTRUCTIONS to those who volunteer to be in that organization.

Yet in a society where Christianity dominated society, women were subjugated to men. Why?

C) What is your fascination with these fringe groups of Christianity?

Christian society dominated the law of the land to the extent women did not have the vote, could not own property and were expected to confine themselves to home duties. Why didn’t the Christian majority insist that women were NOT subjugated to men if, as you claim, this is their belief?

Or, perhaps, they took the passages in the bible such as 1 Timothy 2:11-12 literally. E.g. (“Let a woman learn quietly with all submissiveness. I do not permit a woman to teach or to exercise authority over a man; rather, she is to remain quiet”). Your so-called “fringe groups” still do. They believe themselves to be the “true Christians”.

[Mountain Man]

Christian society dominated the law of the land to the extent women did not have the vote, could not own property and were expected to confine themselves to home duties. Why didn’t the Christian majority insist that women were NOT subjugated to men if, as you claim, this is their belief?

It would help if you explained exactly on what you're basing these assertions so that we could have the proper context in which to answer them. Which "Christian society" are your referring to, and in which land did its law dominate?

[Christianbookworm]

My wild guess is that he's referring to Victorian era Europe.

[Mountain Man]

And that's the problem: he's deliberately keeping his assertions vague so we have to guess and fill in the blanks.

[Bill the Cat]

The comparatively few “queens of England” only attained their status if there was absolutely no male successor to the throne. Even a young boy was considered preferable to an adult female, as per the boy king Edward VI, who preceded Elizabeth I.

Yet they attained it nonetheless. And when they married, their husbands were only kings by marriage, and they were subservient to her majesties.

[Cow Poke]

You’re a laugh a minute CP.

Thanks, bigot.

[Cow Poke]

And that's the problem: he's deliberately keeping his assertions vague so we have to guess and fill in the blanks.

All the boy wants to do is whine about Christianity and Christians.

[Joel]

Christian society dominated the law of the land to the extent women did not have the vote, could not own property and were expected to confine themselves to home duties.

...and again! Everyone, remember how for 2000 years there was a free market in land, except women were not allowed to own land? Yeah, me neither.

[Joel]

My wild guess is that he's referring to Victorian era Europe.

I think you are right. Remember how the conditions of Victorian England were the conditions of all of Western Civilization for 2000 years? Yeah, me neither.