So what is this toxic masculinity thing anyhow?

[Sparko]

It's just not sporting to engage in a battle of wits with an unarmed man, Sparko.

I think he still has one leg left. I wonder how he will use it?

[Tassman]

again, with that definition then pedophilia is always a mental illness, which defeats your initial objection to us claiming that it is such. You just defeated your own argument.

Can you give me an example of when pedophilia or desires of such is NOT a mental illness?

I have many times. Any impairment of personal functioning that does NOT embody a risk of being acted upon is not usually categorized as a mental illness. This is true of any sexual desires...whether about children or S&M bondage or rape or any of the many sorts of sexual things people fantasize about, not least Evangelicals who are obsessed by internet porn at a disproportionately high rate. They may be ‘creeps’, or sinners or just bad people, but they are not considered mentally ill, although they may be helped by professional counselling.

[Sparko]

I have many times.

No you haven't Mr. Gaslight.

Any impairment of personal functioning that does NOT embody a risk of being acted upon is not usually categorized as a mental illness. This is true of any sexual desires...whether about children or S&M bondage or rape or any of the many sorts of sexual things people fantasize about, not least Evangelicals who are obsessed by internet porn at a disproportionately high rate. They may be ‘creeps’, or sinners or just bad people, but they are not considered mentally ill, although they may be helped by professional counselling.

You just contradicted yourself.

And here is what you actually said:

Your question betrays your ignorance. 'Mental disorders' are inextricably tied to behavior. A 'mental disorder' is a major disturbance or distress in thinking, feelings and behavior resulting in unacceptable behavior or disability or harm being caused in social situations or in the workplace. If they do not cause personal distress or disability and are not acted upon, they cannot be appropriately referred to as a mental disorder.

So again, if you have two people who have not acted upon their desires for sex with children, then according to your definition (which you still did not cite a source for) the guy who is distressed by his thoughts and seeks therapy is mentally ill, while the guy who enjoys his desires but still hasn't acted upon them is not mentally ill. At least not until he acts upon those desires.

You are a moron.

[Cow Poke]

No you haven't Mr. Gaslight.

A) That's Ox's line
2) Tassman seems to be in a tailspin to try to support dumb things he's said by attempting to change what he said.

It's like he doesn't know we can go back in time and produce the original stupid comment he made.

[Sparko]

A) That's Ox's line
2) Tassman seems to be in a tailspin to try to support dumb things he's said by attempting to change what he said.

It's like he doesn't know we can go back in time and produce the original stupid comment he made.

That's what I meant by "Mr. Gaslight" - he routinely changes his story and tries to convince people that was what he said all along, changing reality. As if we can't just go back and read what he wrote ourselves.

[Cow Poke]

That's what I meant by "Mr. Gaslight" - he routinely changes his story and tries to convince people that was what he said all along, changing reality. As if we can't just go back and read what he wrote ourselves.

I know -- I had just noted that Jim (Ox) had suddenly been using that gaslight claim.

Tassman is spayshul!

[JimL]

no they are being sinful. Or they could have a mental disorder.

Define what you mean by mental disorder.

[Cow Poke]

Define what you mean by mental disorder.

oh, the temptation......

[JimL]

oh, the temptation......

Seems you have very little resistance to temptation, CP.

[Cow Poke]

Seems you have very little resistance to temptation, CP.

Actually, I resisted, Jim! There were so many possible responses, but I resisted.

[Sparko]

Define what you mean by mental disorder.

Abnormal mental functioning. Mental illness.

[One Bad Pig]

Actually, I resisted, Jim! There were so many possible responses, but I resisted.

Gotta give him points for trying. He's so gosh darned CUTE when he does that.

[Cow Poke]

Gotta give him points for trying. He's so gosh darned CUTE when he does that.

What would Tweb be without him?

[Tassman]

So again, if you have two people who have not acted upon their desires for sex with children, then according to your definition (which you still did not cite a source for) the guy who is distressed by his thoughts and seeks therapy is mentally ill, while the guy who enjoys his desires but still hasn't acted upon them is not mentally ill. At least not until he acts upon those desires.

You keep repeating this nonsense but that’s not the argument. Your: “still hasn't acted upon them” implies that he is at risk of “acting upon them” in which case he has a mental illness, as I’ve said. The same applies to ANY sort of obsessive sexual desires.

[Sparko]

You keep repeating this nonsense but that’s not the argument. Your: “still hasn't acted upon them” implies that he is at risk of “acting upon them” in which case he has a mental illness, as I’ve said. The same applies to ANY sort of obsessive sexual desires.

and anyone who has desires to have sex with children would be at risk of acting upon them, making them ALL mentally ill. So your claim that not all pedophiles are mentally ill is useless.