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p-value testing will never be the same again
Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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If one understands statistics the efforts of this paper is 'front loaded' statistically to get the desired result. More comments may follow. Also basically neglects that the laws of nature constrains the outcome of each cause and effect event, and cannot be statistically projected as simply the probability of 'the total number of sampling events possible since the Big Bang.'
I believe that Landman referred to this limitation as 'the number of possible states.' I comment with caution on Landman, because I lack his full reference. I may word this more completely as the limitations of the possible states of the outcome of each cause and effect outcome constrained by the laws of nature.
I believe they have tried this before.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
If one understands statistics the efforts of this paper is 'front loaded' statistically to get the desired result.
Also basically neglects that the laws of nature constrains the outcome of each cause and effect event, and cannot be statistically projected as simply the probability of 'the total number of sampling events possible since the Big Bang.'
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostWell, how so?
But constraining the events would reduce this probability, correct?
Blessings,
Lee
In the proper use of statistics and probability it is the standard process to constrain the possible variables in the research design to increase the probability that the result will will falsify the hypothesis.
I seriously condemn this irresponsible use of statistics and probability to justify an agenda, and I will provide other references that object to this misuse.
The paper classical misuses Dempski's argument and methods to justify Dempski's argument.Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-17-2019, 05:47 PM.
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The reason why I said, 'This nothing new' misusing statistics and probability by ID and other Creationists is the same misuse is used concerning evolution. Note Bold, and the rest of the article is worth the read. Failure to consider that nature acts by a series of cause and effect outcomes constrained by Laws of Nature is the primary unethical misuse of statistics and probability,
Note: What is referred to 'some element of chance' is a fractal relationship in the variability of the outcome of each event in the formation of the snowflake, which is basically that same throughout the nature of cause and effect outcomes.Last edited by shunyadragon; 01-17-2019, 06:02 PM.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo, it would greatly increase the probability, because the outcome of each cause and effect relationship would be constrained by the Laws of Nature constraining the possible outcomes.
In the proper use of statistics and probability it is the standard process to constrain the possible variables in the research design to increase the probability that the result will will falsify the hypothesis.
And snowflakes are not designed because this is viewing the probability of a random arrangement after the fact. The probability of any given arrangement (of snowflakes, of taillights on a highway, of amino acid chains) after it happens is 100%.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostAnd snowflakes are not designed because this is viewing the probability of a random arrangement after the fact. The probability of any given arrangement (of snowflakes, of taillights on a highway, of amino acid chains) after it happens is 100%.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by Roy View PostSo proteins and genomes aren't designed either.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostNo, if the focus is on an event before it happens, then the probability can vary from 100%. For example, if you pick one snowflake pattern, and then look for that to occur, then the probability is 102500 (according to their calculations).
Blessings,
Lee
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostAnd snowflakes are not designed because this is viewing the probability of a random arrangement after the fact. The probability of any given arrangement (of snowflakes, of taillights on a highway, of amino acid chains) after it happens is 100%.
*apart from dishonest creationists and IDers who pretend this is happening.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.
seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostNo, if the focus is on an event before it happens, then the probability can vary from 100%. For example, if you pick one snowflake pattern, and then look for that to occur, then the probability is 102500 (according to their calculations).
Blessings,
LeeLast edited by shunyadragon; 01-19-2019, 02:17 PM.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostProteins and genomes have already happened. No-one is picking a DNA sequence and looking for it to occur.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe same is true of clouds, no two clouds will every be exactly alike, but all clouds will look like clouds.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post100%
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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