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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI thought the 'human shields' thing was a bit over the top!
As for the human shields thing. Trump is using the potential suffering of 800,000 people to manipulate his political opponents. Saddam and others would put women and children in weapons factories to try to stop the allies from bombing them. Now I recognize you don't like the fact that it's the use of potential suffering to manipulate your opponents and would rather the comparison not be made but that is exactly what trump is doing here. He wan'ts those poeple to suffer so that the fact he has no empathy will allow him to manipulate those that do have empathy. Classic psychopath move.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
The problem is not that Trump is immune to criticism, the problem is that these sorts of irrational ravings are so easy to dismiss."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYou would ... unless you were one of the people that can't pay his rent, or that might lose their security clearance (and thus their job) due to bad credit and so on. The lack of capacity for empathy here is amazing. So basically, unless it hurts you directly, it's ok?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI agree that sucks, so let's compromise. That is how it works. Saying no to barriers or fencing that the Dems voted for in the past is not compromise. Remember Trump originally wanted 25 billion. He has come down quite a bit and he is not even asking for an actual cement wall anymore...
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
The problem is not that Trump is immune to criticism, the problem is that these sorts of irrational ravings are so easy to dismiss.
But the people Trump is using to manipulate his political opponents do have to worry about that. And worse.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIt is only 'over the top' to you because you can pay your mortgage this month and don't have to worry about losing your clearance due to a bad credit rating, or losing your car, or having to head down to the food stamp office to sign up for food stamps so you can feed your family.
But the people Trump is using to manipulate his political opponents do have to worry about that. And worse.
Jim
The last food stamp payments have gone out. They gave them extra in the hopes this will be over before march ... but after that people lose their food stamps.
So you can get your tax return, thousands more federal workers will be forced to work without pay so you don't have to miss you nice tax return and whatever toys you might buy with it.
The courts are actually running out of money. Impacts at first will be confined to civil cases and furloughed workers.
Federal housing assistance contracts are due to expire
WIC funding (basically food for kids of poor parents).
I guess worrying about that or caring about the people impacted by that is 'over the top' too?
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostIt is only 'over the top' to you because you can pay your mortgage this month and don't have to worry about losing your clearance due to a bad credit rating, or losing your car, or having to head down to the food stamp office to sign up for food stamps so you can feed your family.
But the people Trump is using to manipulate his political opponents do have to worry about that. And worse.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostAnd yet he is using the livelihoods of federal workers to try to force his opponents hand. He received a compromise bill that the Republicans had agreed to and refused to sign it. This is all on him.
JimAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIf only the Democrats would come to their senses...
Mexico : Nah, we're not paying.
Trump : I promised a Wall. Congress, Let me build a wall.
Congress : No, we don't want a wall. We don't need a wall. Not gonna ok it. But Here is a compromise bill we all (Republicans and Democrats) agree on with $2B for border security
Trump : No deal.
Trump : Give me a wall or I'll make the federal workers and the poor and the needy pay!
Congress : Are you Kidding?
Trump : Nope.
Mountain Man: See, it's all the Democrats fault.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhen did the Republicans offer funding for the wall? If I remember that correctly Ryan wouldn't even bring it to the floor. So here we are - Trump is offering to compromise, offering things like 800 million for humanitarian aid, and an extension for Dreamers that the Dems said they wanted, never mind how little he is actually asking now for barriers - why can't they compromise?
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/20/ryan...-shutdown.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.7e718e64e21f
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whi...order-security
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI'm not talking about wall funding, I'm talking about the fact he shut down the government and refused to sign stop gap bills to fund it???
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/12/20/ryan...-shutdown.html
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.7e718e64e21f
https://www.foxnews.com/politics/whi...order-security
Jim
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Originally posted by oxmixmuddle View PostTrump : I'll build a wall, And I'll make sure Mexico pays for it
Mexico : Nah, we're not paying.
Trump : I promised a Wall. Congress, Let me build a wall.
Congress : No, we don't want a wall. We don't need a wall. Not gonna ok it. But Here is a compromise bill we all (Republicans and Democrats) agree on with $2B for border security
Trump : No deal.
Trump : Give me a wall or I'll make the federal workers and the poor and the needy pay!
Congress : Are you Kidding?
Trump : Nope.
Mountain Man: See, it's all the Democrats fault.
Secondly, your fanciful version of how we got to this point is laughably naive.
But thanks for playing. Stay on the line and we'll tell you how to receive your lovely consolation prize.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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