A Question of Respect?

[Mountain Man]

At no point did I say that "Trump is to blame for this kid's actions." Trump IS to blame, however, for contributing to an atmosphere where bullying, ridicule, and harassment are considered "acceptable behavior." From the bully pulpit of the White House and the executive office he holds, he demonstrates this behavior on a daily basis.

In other words, Trump is to blame for this kid's actions.

And after years of watching the deplorable actions of groups like Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, and liberal protestors in general, you're going to have an uphill battle making the case that Trump is somehow uniquely responsible for the current level of political discourse. It started LONG before he even thought of running for president.

[carpedm9587]

In other words, Trump is to blame for this kid's actions.

No. And putting words in my mouth is not much more than a strawman, MM.

And after years of watching the deplorable actions of groups like Occupy Wall Street, Black Lives Matter, and liberal protestors in general, you're going to have an uphill battle making the case that Trump is somehow uniquely responsible for the current level of political discourse. It started LONG before he even thought of running for president.

Since I did not say or imply this - I have no response.

[Mountain Man]

As the late Paul Harvey used to say, "And now, the rest of the story..."

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...tive-american/

But I'm sure this is still Trump's fault.

[carpedm9587]

As the late Paul Harvey used to say, "And now, the rest of the story..."

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...tive-american/

But I'm sure this is still Trump's fault.

OK - I've worked my way through this video, and I'm not finding what the article claims is there. Granted I don't have 90 minutes to spend watching this thing, so I jumped through it looking for what was described in the article - and I don't see it. I also jumped to the timestamp recommended in the article, and I'm not seeing it.

So what am I missing...?

[Mountain Man]

Since I did not say or imply this...

The article you posted to kick off this thread did. The very first sentence speculates that "the close affiliation of many antiabortion leaders with President Trump since he took office has led to moral decay that harms the movement," and reader comments are full of references to "Hitler Youth" and "brown shirts", so it seems the author's intent was obvious to a lot of people.

I guess my question is, did you post the article because you agree with such sentiments, or were you playing devil's advocate?

[rogue06]

As the late Paul Harvey used to say, "And now, the rest of the story..."

https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...tive-american/

But I'm sure this is still Trump's fault.

Good Morning America one of the network's correspondents Erielle Reshef appears to be corroborating this noting that



She ended the report with

One Native American man who was there tells the Associated Press that he initially thought this could spiral out of control, there would be a mob mentality, but some of those students actually joining the Native American men and women that were singing there, and it ended up defusing peacefully. That's what we don't see in some of the video.

After she concluded her report, Dan Harris, an anchor for ABC's Nightline and co-anchor for the weekend edition of Good Morning America, remarked that this was "More complicated than it appears."

[Mountain Man]

OK - I've worked my way through this video, and I'm not finding what the article claims is there. Granted I don't have 90 minutes to spend watching this thing, so I jumped through it looking for what was described in the article - and I don't see it. I also jumped to the timestamp recommended in the article, and I'm not seeing it.

So what am I missing...?

Did you really miss this?

https://mobile.twitter.com/PolishPat...ve-american%2F

You can see the Indian fellow walk boldly up to the group of students and get right in their faces. You can even see the momentary confusion of the students who thought he was there to support them.

[carpedm9587]

Did you really miss this?

As far as I can tell - it was not in the longer video that I looked at - but it is possible that it is actually in it and I missed it.

https://mobile.twitter.com/PolishPat...ve-american%2F You can see the Indian fellow walk boldly up to the group of students

Absolutely...

and get right in their faces.

Ummm... no. I'm not seeing what you are apparently seeing. I do see the man walk up to the group, and the group dancing to his beat.

You can even see the momentary confusion of the students who thought he was there to support them.

I can see the dancing slowing down. What I cannot see is why - and I cannot see the point at which the young man in the "viral" video comes on the scene and what precipitates the "in-your-face" posture he took and his smirk.

His posture and smirk are indisputable in the other video. What precipitated it is not.

[Mountain Man]

As far as I can tell - it was not in the longer video that I looked at - but it is possible that it is actually in it and I missed it.



Absolutely...



Ummm... no. I'm not seeing what you are apparently seeing. I do see the man walk up to the group, and the group dancing to his beat.



I can see the dancing slowing down. What I cannot see is why - and I cannot see the point at which the young man in the "viral" video comes on the scene and what precipitates the "in-your-face" posture he took and his smirk.

His posture and smirk are indisputable in the other video. What precipitated it is not.

*sigh*

[Mountain Man]

I've seen several people refer to the boy's smirk, implying that this makes him the aggressor, but none of them seem to have a problem with the Indian fellow beating a drum just inches from his face.

[Littlejoe]

OK - I've worked my way through this video, and I'm not finding what the article claims is there. Granted I don't have 90 minutes to spend watching this thing, so I jumped through it looking for what was described in the article - and I don't see it. I also jumped to the timestamp recommended in the article, and I'm not seeing it.

So what am I missing...?

Go to the Breitbart link, click on the video that looks like this:

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Slide the slider forward to 1 hour 10 min and watch until they get on the bus.

Warning, there is profanity in this video so I'm not linking directly to it.

[rogue06]

I've seen several people refer to the boy's smirk, implying that this makes him the aggressor, but none of them seem to have a problem with the Indian fellow beating a drum just inches from his face.

Considering the new evidence what was initially described as an insolent or arrogant smirk is more likely a look of bemused confusion.

[carpedm9587]

I've seen several people refer to the boy's smirk, implying that this makes him the aggressor, but none of them seem to have a problem with the Indian fellow beating a drum just inches from his face.

If the man encroached on the boy's space - ti is a problem. If the boy encroached on the man's space, then it is the boy's problem.

From the video I've seen - I cannot tell which occurred. I CAN say that I've seen that look before - and it has never been on an innocent face. But that's as much as I can say.

[carpedm9587]

Go to the Breitbart link, click on the video that looks like this:

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Slide the slider forward to 1 hour 10 min and watch until they get on the bus.

Warning, there is profanity in this video so I'm not linking directly to it.

That may be part of my problem. I thought the video was without audio. I'm not getting any on my machine. Not sure what is wrong. I'll try it on a different machine when I get back home.

Thanks for the assist.

[Mountain Man]

Considering the new evidence what was initially described as an insolent or arrogant smirk is more likely a look of bemused confusion.

I see defiance more than bemusement. How I see it, the Indian fellow got in his face, and he wasn't going to back down. I don't think that was the appropriate response, but he clearly wasn't the instigator like liberals are claiming.