A Question of Respect?

[One Bad Pig]

OBP we did not pull out in 71. We were still there is 73, when I got out. I was in a rear staging area (Okinawa) with the Third Marines (71-through all of 72) most of my tank battalion was still in country at the end of 72.

So that would make it remotely possible. Any idea when they stopped sending in fresh faces?

[seer]

So that would make it remotely possible. Any idea when they stopped sending in fresh faces?

There were only small, specialized units by late 73 early 74. Like advisers or Embassy personal. I doubt very much that he was in country. I do not believe it for a second.

[Sparko]

Poking around a bit, he almost certainly did not serve in Vietnam as a marine (he would have been only 16 in 1971, the year the Marines pulled out). However, it seems that Phillips himself has been careful to not say directly that he was a Vietnam veteran, but only a Vietnam era veteran. This would give the desired impression without being an actual lie.

Whether he is or not really has nothing to do with this incident other than the MSM using it as some sort of "virtue signal" to give him credibility.

What I am getting from this is that Phillips decided to walk into the students, I have no idea why, there are conflicting stories. Most of the kids seemed to step back as he approached which encouraged him to keep moving. But that one kid stood his ground and didn't move. At that point Phillips just stood there banging his drum trying to intimidate him into moving.

[Mountain Man]

At that point Phillips just stood there banging his drum trying to intimidate him into moving.

I think we have a pretty clear idea now what happened. It's the "Why?" of it all that remains up in the air.

[Sparko]

watching this video it doesn't look like the kid is mocking anyone. He looks nervous and scared as Phillips stands there beating his drum in his ear. Phillips is clearly trying to intimidate him.

[Mountain Man]

Here's a picture you won't see in the mainstream media:

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[carpedm9587]

So - the reason that I question the stories as told by the young man is videos like the one associated with this story. It clearly shows, at several points, Phillips together with many of the kids in fairly close proximity, and all of them engaging in what appears to be a friendly exchange. At one point, Sandmann can be seen in the background - away from Phillips.

So the open question is, how did it go from that dynamic to the "in-your-face" dynamic of the initially published video?

And yes, I note that the kids engaging with Phillips initially, and not "in his face" seem to be the kids NOT wearing the MAGA hats. But when the "in-your-face" segment begins, they are in greater evidence. Given Trump's demonstrated disdain, tendency to ridicule and try to intimidate - I have to wonder to what degree that was the approach taken.

But there is no "hard evidence" here for either view, IMO.

[Cow Poke]

So - the reason that I question the stories as told by the young man is videos like the one associated with this story. It clearly shows, at several points, Phillips together with many of the kids in fairly close proximity, and all of them engaging in what appears to be a friendly exchange. At one point, Sandmann can be seen in the background - away from Phillips.

So the open question is, how did it go from that dynamic to the "in-your-face" dynamic of the initially published video?

And yes, I note that the kids engaging with Phillips initially, and not "in his face" seem to be the kids NOT wearing the MAGA hats. But when the "in-your-face" segment begins, they are in greater evidence. Given Trump's demonstrated disdain, tendency to ridicule and try to intimidate - I have to wonder to what degree that was the approach taken.

But there is no "hard evidence" here for either view, IMO.

I fully realize you're not posting here anymore, but would you agree that there's "hard evidence" that it's NOT like it was first reported?

[Sparko]

So - the reason that I question the stories as told by the young man is videos like the one associated with this story. It clearly shows, at several points, Phillips together with many of the kids in fairly close proximity, and all of them engaging in what appears to be a friendly exchange. At one point, Sandmann can be seen in the background - away from Phillips.

So the open question is, how did it go from that dynamic to the "in-your-face" dynamic of the initially published video?

And yes, I note that the kids engaging with Phillips initially, and not "in his face" seem to be the kids NOT wearing the MAGA hats. But when the "in-your-face" segment begins, they are in greater evidence. Given Trump's demonstrated disdain, tendency to ridicule and try to intimidate - I have to wonder to what degree that was the approach taken.

But there is no "hard evidence" here for either view, IMO.

Here is how it went to an "In your face" confrontation. The video here shows Phillips approaching the teens from well away from them and walking right up to them and entering their crowd, beating his drum.

https://twitter.com/PolishPatriotTM/...55744556171266

[Cow Poke]

Here is how it went to an "In your face" confrontation. The video here shows Phillips approaching the teens from well away from them and walking right up to them and entering their crowd, beating his drum.

https://twitter.com/PolishPatriotTM/...55744556171266

So, it looks like the kids are "playing along" at first --- here's this old man beating a drum, and they're kinda dancing along..... and then it turns tense.

[Mountain Man]

So, it looks like the kids are "playing along" at first --- here's this old man beating a drum, and they're kinda dancing along..... and then it turns tense.

I've seen some people try to claim that bobbing one's head in time with the beat is inherently disrespectful to Native Americans. Sounds like fake news to me, but even if it's true, I doubt the kids would have been aware of that.

[rogue06]

Poking around a bit, he almost certainly did not serve in Vietnam as a marine (he would have been only 16 in 1971, the year the Marines pulled out). However, it seems that Phillips himself has been careful to not say directly that he was a Vietnam veteran, but only a Vietnam era veteran. This would give the desired impression without being an actual lie.

Yeah, he says he's "from Vietnam times" and said he was a "recon ranger" -- but there was no such thing back then. Apparently, the closest thing to that is the 75th Ranger Regiment Reconnaissance Company but it wasn't established until 1984, or 11 years after the war ended.

Still, even declaring to be from the Vietnam era or "from Vietnam times" when he was in fact too young to serve at that time reeks of Stolen Valor fakery à la Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)

[Sparko]

Yeah, he says he's "from Vietnam times" and said he was a "recon ranger" -- but there was no such thing back then. Apparently, the closest thing to that is the 75th Ranger Regiment Reconnaissance Company but it wasn't established until 1984, or 11 years after the war ended.

Still, even declaring to be from the Vietnam era or "from Vietnam times" when he was in fact too young to serve at that time reeks of Stolen Valor fakery à la Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)

I thought Rangers were Army not Marines.

[rogue06]

Here is how it went to an "In your face" confrontation. The video here shows Phillips approaching the teens from well away from them and walking right up to them and entering their crowd, beating his drum.

https://twitter.com/PolishPatriotTM/...55744556171266

It looks like he did the same thing back in 2015 with a bunch of kids from Eastern Michigan University and then played the victim for a friendly press

[Cow Poke]

I've seen some people try to claim that bobbing one's head in time with the beat is inherently disrespectful to Native Americans. Sounds like fake news to me, but even if it's true, I doubt the kids would have been aware of that.

Heck, when our family did our sightseeing trek to Utah, Idaho and Wyoming, we encountered MANY different "Indian Tribe" dances, the most impressive of which was at Yellowstone National Park, and the tourists routinely got "into" the rhythm of the drumbeat.... and the Native Americans obviously expected them to do so. I would have thought it would be disrespectful to stand their rigid with your arms crossed over your chest.