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  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Yeah, he says he's "from Vietnam times" and said he was a "recon ranger" -- but there was no such thing back then. Apparently, the closest thing to that is the 75th Ranger Regiment Reconnaissance Company but it wasn't established until 1984, or 11 years after the war ended.

    Still, even declaring to be from the Vietnam era or "from Vietnam times" when he was in fact too young to serve at that time reeks of Stolen Valor fakery à la Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)
    Sheesh guys, we did have Recon back then, I was attached to 2 Recon as tank support in the states.

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    • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      I thought Rangers were Army not Marines.


      Phillips says he served in the U.S. Marines from 1972 to 1976 but since the Rangers are part of the Army his claim seems to be about as valid as Elizabeth Warren's assertion that she's Native American.

      I'm always still in trouble again

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      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post


        Phillips says he served in the U.S. Marines from 1972 to 1976 but since the Rangers are part of the Army his claim seems to be about as valid as Elizabeth Warren's assertion that she's Native American.
        He appears to be a very trouble soul...

        Nathan Phillips, Fake Marine

        Since Phillips was born on February 22, 1955, he would’ve joined the Marines in 1972.

        Here’s what the Marines were doing in Vietnam in 1972, from "U.S. Marines In Vietnam: The War That Would Not End, 1971-1973”.

        "By July 1971, less than 500 U.S. Marines, mostly advisors, communicators, and supporting arms specialists remained in Vietnam.”

        There’s no such thing as a “recon ranger” anyway, but by 1972, the US Marines were no longer engaged in combat in Vietnam. This is part of the “Vietnamization” of the war. Americans remained to advise, not to fight. In 1972, the only US Marine combat troops were supporting arms specialists, meaning men who fired mortars and other crew-served weapons.

        Nathan Phillips said he went on patrol as the point man—the first marine in the column.

        He did so in his pathetic fantasies.

        The man is a liar. He lied about his service in Vietnam, and he lied about what the young Trump supporters did.

        It took me exactly three minutes to expose Nathan Phillips as a liar. I appear to be the only person who made the effort.

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        And....

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        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          Heck, when our family did our sightseeing trek to Utah, Idaho and Wyoming, we encountered MANY different "Indian Tribe" dances, the most impressive of which was at Yellowstone National Park, and the tourists routinely got "into" the rhythm of the drumbeat.... and the Native Americans obviously expected them to do so. I would have thought it would be disrespectful to stand their rigid with your arms crossed over your chest.
          It's just liberals watching another false anti-Trump narrative implode before their eyes and desperately trying to salvage it.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


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          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post


            Phillips says he served in the U.S. Marines from 1972 to 1976 but since the Rangers are part of the Army his claim seems to be about as valid as Elizabeth Warren's assertion that she's Native American.
            Rogue, Recon Marines they called themselves Recon Rangers...
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            • Originally posted by seer View Post
              Rogue, Recon Marines they called themselves Recon Rangers...
              Thanks for the clarification.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                Here is how it went to an "In your face" confrontation. The video here shows Phillips approaching the teens from well away from them and walking right up to them and entering their crowd, beating his drum.

                https://twitter.com/PolishPatriotTM/...55744556171266
                I've reviewed this multiple times. Again - it aligns with what Phillips said: he and his group positioned themselves between the two groups (kids and Black Israelites). Phillips continued playing as he merged with the kids. The view in the news report I linked appears to come from a camera to his left in the early part of this engagement - and shows Phillips engaged in what appears to be a friendly exchange all around with the kids in front of him. Sandmann is at a distance.

                There is NO video i have found that shows what happens between the friendly part of the exchange with the kids - and when it became the in-your-face confrontation with Sandmann. The kids close around behind Phillips (again) as he describes it. According to Phillips, he felt his way out was through - and he was blocked. According to Sandmann Phillips was confrontational. I see no video to "prove" either position. So I lean towards Sandmann's explanation - for the reasons I've cited, but the fact is I don't know which accounting is true with any degree of certainty.
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                • It seems the issue of Philip's service record is being "walked back". The Washington Post is now saying that he's not a Vietnam vet.

                  https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...ed-to-vietnam/
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    It seems the issue of Philip's service record is being "walked back". The Washington Post is now saying that he's not a Vietnam vet.

                    https://www.breitbart.com/the-media/...ed-to-vietnam/
                    I don't know where the "Vietnam vet" thing came from. In the interview I saw (after that initial video went viral) Phillips described himself as a "Vietnam-times Vet." The insertion of "times" in that self-description got my attention, because it's an odd way for it to be expressed. Turns out he was a marine from 1972 to 1976. The "police action" (it was actually never formally a war, IIRC) was ended April 30, 1975, so his self-description was accurate. He was a marine during the time of the Vietnam action, but he was never deployed to Vietnam.
                    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                    • It is an odd way to phrase it, which makes me suspect that he does it deliberately so that people will reach the wrong conclusion. Otherwise, saying that he's a veteran would be enough.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        carpe is still trying to find a way of blaming the Covington students in spite of their acting in an incredible polite and courteous manner as one could possibly hope for. A real slimy move that I thought he was better than
                        then he is failing C.S. Lewis test I posted here isnt' he.

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                        • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                          I've reviewed this multiple times. Again - it aligns with what Phillips said: he and his group positioned themselves between the two groups (kids and Black Israelites). Phillips continued playing as he merged with the kids. The view in the news report I linked appears to come from a camera to his left in the early part of this engagement - and shows Phillips engaged in what appears to be a friendly exchange all around with the kids in front of him. Sandmann is at a distance.

                          There is NO video i have found that shows what happens between the friendly part of the exchange with the kids - and when it became the in-your-face confrontation with Sandmann. The kids close around behind Phillips (again) as he describes it. According to Phillips, he felt his way out was through - and he was blocked. According to Sandmann Phillips was confrontational. I see no video to "prove" either position. So I lean towards Sandmann's explanation - for the reasons I've cited, but the fact is I don't know which accounting is true with any degree of certainty.
                          I'll accept that he was trying to defuse the situation Carpe, if you can explain a few problematic actions of his. Why did he confront the peaceful students, who were just doing a few school cheers to drown out a group using racial and homophobic slurs against them? Why did he and his group deliberetly go to the student invade his space and bang his drum in his face. Why did he not challenge the Black Hebrew Israelites who were shouting racial and homophobic slurs at the students and his group hmm? Please tell me why I should believe he was only interested in peace when he confronted teh peaceful group instead of the aggressor group? the main question I have though is why should I believe someone who changes his story when evidence is brought out that his story does not fit.

                          Tell me Carpe are you passing or failing C.S. Lewis test from his Mere Christianity I posted here

                          be honest with yourself at least.
                          Last edited by RumTumTugger; 01-22-2019, 06:48 PM.

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                            • Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post
                              I'll accept that he was trying to defuse the situation Carpe, if you can explain a few problematic actions of his. Why did he confront the peaceful students, who were just doing a few school cheers to drown out a group using racial and homophobic slurs against them?
                              There is no video evidence that he "confronted" anyone, at least that I can find.

                              Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post
                              Why did he and his group deliberetly go to the student invade his space and bang his drum in his face.
                              There is no video evidence that he did this either. The video evidence shows he and the students in a friendly exchange - then there is the video that went viral - and nothing in between that I can find.

                              Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post
                              Why did he not challenge the Black Hebrew Israelites who were shouting racial and homophobic slurs at the students and his group hmm?
                              I would be guessing. However, if it was me and I was inserting myself between two groups, I would probably give my attention to the group that seemed less hostile, and attempt to divert attention away from the tension situation. But that is me. I have no idea what motivated Phillips outside of what he claims.

                              Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post
                              Please tell me why I should believe he was only interested in peace when he confronted teh peaceful group instead of the aggressor group?
                              See above. But it is basically your call as to what the evidence tells you and to what degree of certainty.

                              Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post
                              the main question I have though is why should I believe someone who changes his story when evidence is brought out that his story does not fit.
                              I have not seen a change in his story - at least not the interviews I saw.

                              Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post
                              Tell me Carpe are you passing or failing C.S. Lewis test from his Mere Christianity I posted here

                              be honest with yourself at least.
                              I had forgotten about Lewis's test. He was certainly a wise man. As for this situation - my initial reaction to the young man was negative - and it frankly remains negative. I don't take any particular joy in it. While I cannot definitively say "X happened," the combination of circumstances is such that I am dubious about the young man's behavior. And that smirk on his face is too familiar to me from other contexts for me to ignore. I would very much like to see the "what happened in between" video, but it does not seem to exist. So I'll withhold taking a definitive stance - but I have to admit to being dubious.
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                              • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                                There is no video evidence ...
                                This may be one of those cases where we look at the same images and see starkly different things, largely because we are genetically programmed to do so.
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