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Originally posted by Sparko View Post...You make yourself look foolish with your complete ignorance here.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postrepeating yourself again? We already told you, schools have no control over what their students do or support politically. In fact there have been lawsuits over schools trying to suppress student's first amendment rights when they try to keep them from expressing religious faiths or forming clubs. Not even on field trips or on the campus itself. If you are going to keep pretending you are some expert on the USA and our constitution, at least get simple stuff right. You make yourself look foolish with your complete ignorance here.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe same would apply, although they never had the same universal impact as MAGA Hats; these are unambiguously associated with Trump and the Republican Party. Churches and Church Schools etc are not taxed and as such they are prevented from publicly endorsing or supporting any political candidates. This is what occurred on this Church-School organised field trip with the full knowledge of the school chaperones.
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Yeah, maybe that's about some restaurant or somethingLast edited by rogue06; 02-22-2019, 02:29 PM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd a Hope and Change Obama shirt wasn't unambiguously associated with Obama and the Democrat Party?
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Originally posted by Sparko View Postrepeating yourself again? We already told you, schools have no control over what their students do or support politically.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostAnd a Hope and Change Obama shirt wasn't unambiguously associated with Obama and the Democrat Party? ]
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Seriously? What right does a school chaperone have to prevent a student from exercising his constitutional rights?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostSeriously? What right does a school chaperone have to prevent a student from exercising his constitutional rights?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostSeriously? What right does a school chaperone have to prevent a student from exercising his constitutional rights?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAre you saying that a Church School has no control over its own students, when they are on an officially designated school field-trip under the supervision of school chaperones? If this is so, they have no business running a school.
Of course. Which is why I said that the same would apply to them as MAGA Hats being worn at official, church-sponsored public activities.
As far as churches and politics are concerned, the people in the church have the right to voice any political view the wish under their individual rights (Even the Leaders of the church, from the pulpit). This is the right to free speech that every individual American has. Being a member of a religion does not cancel out the right of free speech.
I would like to say that it pains me that so much time is being spent on what the students could have done to make the situation better and how little time is spent on the attackers that bullied, taunted, and tried to intimidate the students. That is cowardly to me to blame the victims and let the perpetrator get off scott free.Last edited by The Pendragon; 02-23-2019, 05:35 PM."Any sufficiently advanced technology, is indistinguishable from Magic!"-- Arthur C. Clark
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Originally posted by The Pendragon View PostThe onus is on the school not to force require these things.
As far as churches and politics are concerned, the people in the church have the right to voice any political view the wish under their individual rights (Even the Leaders of the church, from the pulpit). This is the right to free speech that every individual American has. Being a member of a religion does not cancel out the right of free speech.
I would like to say that it pains me that so much time is being spent on what the students could have done to make the situation better and how little time is spent on the attackers that bullied, taunted, and tried to intimidate the students. That is cowardly to me to blame the victims and let the perpetrator get off scott free.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFolks like Tass believe that the very fact they were wearing MAGA hats makes them culpable. They were "asking for it" by being provocatively dressed. This view has been expressed by various politicians, news people and celebutards.
I hope Tassman is smarter then falling into the trap of supporting the view that if a girl wears a mini skirt is provocatively dressed and is at fault if she is accosted. And I hope he is smart enough to not use the old reply "It's different" without explaining why it's different. That would just prove what I said in the post above. That he has been told what to think not how to think, that would be sad."Any sufficiently advanced technology, is indistinguishable from Magic!"-- Arthur C. Clark
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Originally posted by The Pendragon View PostTassman,
You are under the impression that school is for brain washing its students into thinking one way. Here is where your statements fail. School is to teach its students how to think not what to think.
The onus is on the school not to force require these things.
As far as churches and politics are concerned, the people in the church have the right to voice any political view the wish under their individual rights (Even the Leaders of the church, from the pulpit). This is the right to free speech that every individual American has. Being a member of a religion does not cancel out the right of free speech. Under the U.S. tax code, nonprofit organizations such as churches may express views on any issue, but they jeopardize their tax-exempt status if they speak for or against particular political parties.
I would like to say that it pains me that so much time is being spent on what the students could have done to make the situation better and how little time is spent on the attackers that bullied, taunted, and tried to intimidate the students. That is cowardly to me to blame the victims and let the perpetrator get off scott freeLast edited by Tassman; 02-23-2019, 11:54 PM.
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A wholly expected argument ... maybe because it has already been advanced in prior posts. Simple fact is - no student is an authorised representative of the school in question. He is a private citizen ... or maybe not, if he is a minor - in which case he would be a private individual. And again - the school has no right (as Pendragon pointed out in post #505) to prevent a student from buying and using legal merchandise. As for the argument about Christian schools being exempt from taxation, land taxes et al: I don't know the American system but in Australia, that is simply not the case. Tax exemptions apply only to particular activities of the church such as donations but not to rents from properties owned by the church, for example.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostA wholly expected argument ... maybe because it has already been advanced in prior posts. Simple fact is - no student is an authorised representative of the school in question. He is a private citizen ... or maybe not, if he is a minor - in which case he would be a private individual. And again - the school has no right (as Pendragon pointed out in post #505) to prevent a student from buying and using legal merchandise. As for the argument about Christian schools being exempt from taxation, land taxes et al: I don't know the American system but in Australia, that is simply not the case. Tax exemptions apply only to particular activities of the church such as donations but not to rents from properties owned by the church, for example.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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