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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI don't know where the "Vietnam vet" thing came from. In the interview I saw (after that initial video went viral) Phillips described himself as a "Vietnam-times Vet." The insertion of "times" in that self-description got my attention, because it's an odd way for it to be expressed. Turns out he was a marine from 1972 to 1976. The "police action" (it was actually never formally a war, IIRC) was ended April 30, 1975, so his self-description was accurate. He was a marine during the time of the Vietnam action, but he was never deployed to Vietnam.
And I'm a Vietnam veteran and I know that mentality of "There's enough of us. We can do this."
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And it's because I'm a veteran -- I'm a Vietnam veteran...
Once might be a slip, but twice makes it deliberate misrepresentation. Another fraud like Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Tassman View Post"I don’t always threaten smart-aleck adolescents by banging a drum in their face. But when I do the racist president portrays me as the aggressor, even though the kid tried to stare me down and because I’m not white".
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostA number of news outlets described him as a Vietnam vet including the Washington Post and New York Times (both of which have since issued corrections), but he has also misrepresented himself as being a Vietnam veteran and not just a "Vietnam-times Vet" or "from Vietnam times." He twice did so after the incident in Washington while being interviewed by CNN:
And I'm a Vietnam veteran and I know that mentality of "There's enough of us. We can do this."
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And it's because I'm a veteran -- I'm a Vietnam veteran...
Once might be a slip, but twice makes it deliberate misrepresentation. Another fraud like Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)
His DD 214 (Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty) form has now been released thanks to a FOIA request and his repeated assertion that he was a "recon ranger" has been exposed as bunk. He was in fact refrigerator mechanic, or ReferMech who was stationed in either Lincoln, Nebraska and El Toro, California. The latter posting is fitting since his claims are now demonstrated as being full of bull.
He was also merely "discharged" rather "honorably discharged" still at the rank of private after 4 years very likely due to having gone AWOL several times.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOops. Looks like there has been some more misrepresentations of his service record by Phillips.
His DD 214 (Certificate of Release or Discharge from Active Duty) form has now been released thanks to a FOIA request and his repeated assertion that he was a "recon ranger" has been exposed as bunk. He was in fact refrigerator mechanic, or ReferMech who was stationed in either Lincoln, Nebraska and El Toro, California. The latter posting is fitting since his claims are now demonstrated as being full of bull.
He was also merely "discharged" rather "honorably discharged" still at the rank of private after 4 years very likely due to having gone AWOL several times.Last edited by seer; 01-23-2019, 05:47 AM.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostA couple of points, he was UA a couple of times, which is not the same as AWOL. You can get charged with "Unauthorized Absence" for coming back to base late. His discharge is a General Discharge, he was a screw up. It is obvious that he lied about his service, and a run of the mill leftist activist, not the wise "Elder" as the media portrayed him.
But yeah, he was a refrigerator mechanic not a "recon ranger" and he has claimed to be a Vietnam Veteran and not just a "Vietnam-times Vet" or "from Vietnam times" but never left the U.S.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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It seems Philips has something against Catholics.
"Nathan Phillips, along with about twenty other activists, tried to disrupt a January 19th evening Mass at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, while chanting and banging on their drums, according to the Catholic News Agency (CNA)."
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-beating-drum/Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostIt seems that his record equates his UA with AWOL
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But yeah, he was a refrigerator mechanic not a "recon ranger" and he has claimed to be a Vietnam Veteran and not just a "Vietnam-times Vet" or "from Vietnam times" but never left the U.S.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt seems Philips has something against Catholics.
"Nathan Phillips, along with about twenty other activists, tried to disrupt a January 19th evening Mass at the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception, while chanting and banging on their drums, according to the Catholic News Agency (CNA)."
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/2...-beating-drum/Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostThis may be one of those cases where we look at the same images and see starkly different things, largely because we are genetically programmed to do so.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostA number of news outlets described him as a Vietnam vet including the Washington Post and New York Times (both of which have since issued corrections), but he has also misrepresented himself as being a Vietnam veteran and not just a "Vietnam-times Vet" or "from Vietnam times." He twice did so after the incident in Washington while being interviewed by CNN:
And I'm a Vietnam veteran and I know that mentality of "There's enough of us. We can do this."
...
And it's because I'm a veteran -- I'm a Vietnam veteran...
Once might be a slip, but twice makes it deliberate misrepresentation. Another fraud like Senator Richard Blumenthal (D-Conn.)The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by seer View PostRight, so maybe their approach to those Catholic School boys wasn't so friendly after all!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by seer View PostA couple of points, he was UA a couple of times, which is not the same as AWOL. You can get charged with "Unauthorized Absence" for coming back to base late. His discharge is a General Discharge, he was a screw up. It is obvious that he lied about his service, and a run of the mill leftist activist, not the wise "Elder" as the media portrayed him.
Originally posted by Tassman View Post"I don’t always threaten smart-aleck adolescents by banging a drum in their face. But when I do the racist president portrays me as the aggressor, even though the kid tried to stare me down and because I’m not white".The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI've reviewed this multiple times. Again - it aligns with what Phillips said: he and his group positioned themselves between the two groups (kids and Black Israelites). Phillips continued playing as he merged with the kids. The view in the news report I linked appears to come from a camera to his left in the early part of this engagement - and shows Phillips engaged in what appears to be a friendly exchange all around with the kids in front of him. Sandmann is at a distance.
There is NO video i have found that shows what happens between the friendly part of the exchange with the kids - and when it became the in-your-face confrontation with Sandmann. The kids close around behind Phillips (again) as he describes it. According to Phillips, he felt his way out was through - and he was blocked. According to Sandmann Phillips was confrontational. I see no video to "prove" either position. So I lean towards Sandmann's explanation - for the reasons I've cited, but the fact is I don't know which accounting is true with any degree of certainty.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostCome on Carp. You can see he approached the teens beating his drum.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf you look closely you can see the teen he was confronting in the background a few feet away.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt's pretty obvious he kept moving into the crowd and that teen did not want to move so they "confronted" each other.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostIf Phillips had not gone over there in the first place, none of this would have happened.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostHe instigated it. He was the bully.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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