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Discussion on matters of general mainstream evangelical Christian theology that do not fit within Theology 201. Have some spiritual gifts ceased today? Is the KJV the only viable translation for the church today? In what sense are the books of the bible inspired and what are those books? Church government? Modern day prophets and apostles?
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Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostI'm not sure, perhaps we would naturally love God if we were not blinded by the sin of unbelief. Perhaps God just removes the blinders and we naturally recognize and leap towards our Creator. Now I'm not saying that I necessarily agree with Calvinists, but in my 29 years as a Christian I often wondered why one person can look at Christian evidences and Scripture and find them completely compelling, while another person sees the exact same thing and finds no value or truth in them. I can't say that my own reasoning or goodness made the difference.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI think because some people don't want to believe. Even if they found out God was real, they would run away from him instead of towards him. Like the bible says about the demons. Jame 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI think because some people don't want to believe. Even if they found out God was real, they would run away from him instead of towards him. Like the bible says about the demons. Jame 2:19 You believe that there is one God. Good! Even the demons believe that--and shudder.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut why? Why do we run to God, and they run away? Are they more stupid or evil than I was?"What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostYes.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut why? Why do we run to God, and they run away? Are they more stupid or evil than I was?
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostSee Cow Pokes anecdote. I think it is a matter of selfishness. And timing. I didn't become a Christian till I was 40 years old. I foundered between being an agnostic, an atheist to sort of believing in God but not really caring (because I figured I was a good guy and God would see that and let me into heaven if he was real) - it just didn't matter to me for the longest time. Then it did. I watched God in action and couldn't ignore him any more. So I guess in a way you are right, he "made" me believe in him, but I did have to be ready and willing to see what he wanted to show me.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostRight, I was 37 years old, I had heard it all in the past, then the stars all lined up. The circumstances all came together - but what made or controlled those circumstances? That is why I'm a committed Calminian, because it is still a mystery to me.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIn my case it was my alcoholic dad having a stroke, almost dying with the doctors giving up, my mom's church elders praying over him, him recovering and becoming a Christian and stopped drinking. I couldn't ignore it. If God could do that to and for my dad, he had to be real. So I started going to church and learned the rest. That just being a "good person" wasn't going to save me.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostBut another man in the same position could ignore it and pawn it all off as coincidence.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWhich is where the work of the Holy Spirit comes into play.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostSo the question is, why is the Holy Spirit working in one man and not the other?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHow do you know the Holy Spirit is working in one man and not the other? It may well be that one person is more sensitive to the work of the Holy Spirit...
or it may be that a person is being prayed for more.
Or it may be that God decides to intervene in a more direct way in somebody's life like he did Saul.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWhat makes that man more sensitive?
That is possible. Just off the top of my head, I can't remember anyone praying for someone's salvation in the NT. Though I do all the time.
If God's wants all men to be saved wouldn't He intervene in a more direct way in all lives to ensure their salvation?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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