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    Quote Originally Posted by firstfloor View Post
    If the earth were a smooth spheroid, it would be covered entirely by water to a depth of approximately 2.6km.
    Since the Earth is an oblate spheroid, how would that impact the water's depth a) at the equator and b) at the poles? For grins, let's add the impact of the Earth's rotation and the moon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Since the Earth is an oblate spheroid, how would that impact the water's depth a) at the equator and b) at the poles? For grins, let's add the impact of the Earth's rotation and the moon.
    Good question. The polar diameter is about 7900 miles and the equatorial diameter is about 27 miles more, the difference being about 1:290. That difference already takes account of the earth’s rotation. Water depth would differ according to the same ratio, shallower at the poles. The tides would be very similar in range to those now seen in the large oceans.

    To approximately calculate the oblateness of the earth from first principles you would first have to calculate the elastic modulus of the whole earth from your knowledge of the earth’s construction – I don’t think this has ever been done, by anyone, least of all, by firstfloor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerealman View Post
    Yeah I was reading it along bit by bit while responding to everyone.I do know words can get lost in translation and if there's an inclination that it happened then really that's all I need on that subject.
    So what are your other concerns? It seems like there is something more that you're hesitating to say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerealman View Post
    So as most you have probably known me since I was maybe 16ish or so when I joined this site one boring summer and I've now grown into the amazing CerealMAN.Since joining this site and growing up(22 now) I've become more and more agnostic and have for the most part lost faith in Christianity.
    Now for me personally it wasn't something like "oh he didn't answer me in my time of need",but more of a problem I see with Human history vs Biblical Human history. Basically how we all came to be and what not.


    Not that this is recent or anything I've felt like this since basically going to college.I'm also more of an analytical person so for me I care more for the history than say a miracle(though I guess that is important in this aspect) in convincing me.

    So there are a few topics I just wanna talk over:
    The accuracy of the jews being slaves in Egypt
    "The Earth is flat" even though honestly for me, this isn't a big one just something I'd like to know more on.
    The flood;this one for me I believe the writers were talking about a local flood which from their perspective could be seen as "global".

    So yeah let's get to talking.If you're one of those gumpy folks regardless of where you stand, don't even bother commenting.
    I believe there is a difference between the the problems of the ancient perspective in ancient scriptures as to what is God, or whether God exists or not. I believe that the human view could not be a reliable witness at any time in history as to the nature of God nor whether God exists or not, but to believe in God you have to move on and leave ancient world views in the past. I believe that the nature of God has spiritually evolved along with our knowledge of the nature of our physical existence in a positive realistic way. Those that cling to ancient world views give God a bad image.

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    Hi, cerealman! Have you read a Case for Christ? Or done some research at www.christianthinktank.com? Remember that the truth of Christianity hinges on the Resurrection of Jesus, not inerrancy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerealman View Post
    Psalm 104:5: “Thou didst fix the earth on its foundation so that it never can be shaken.”
    Psalm 96:10: “He has fixed the earth firm, immovable ...”
    Are these simply stating the Earth is planted as is in orbit or that the Earth is flat in relation to these verses?For me personally I've sided with the first.
    STM that the point is not the motionlessness of the Earth, but the Majesty of God its Creator. The example chosen for making the point may be flawed and inaccurate, but the theological lesson suggested by it, stands.

    The observations about the natural world are not for the sake of imparting lessons about the natural world, but for exciting reverence for God in the reader and hearer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cerealman View Post
    True fair enough. The biggest thing to me personally, is the whole Israelite slaves in Egypt.Was the number truly 600k? How come others at the time(egyptians) did not keep track of that many slaves at such a scale?
    I have a theory about this, and it is only my theory (as far as I know) so please don’t give it any more weight than that.

    IMO, the large numbers in Exodus 12.40, Numbers 1 & Numbers 26 are theological constructions. They are not to be taken as historically or logistically accurate population statistics. And they are not intended to be historically counts of the adult population of Israel at those times.
    Instead, I think the numbers have this function: to say that Israel had grown very greatly since Jacob and his descendants came down to Egypt, so that the greatness of this increase - from 70 people to over 600,000 - might be evidence of the greatness and faithfulness of Israel’s God.

    If the figure is at all realistic, maybe it comes from the writer’s own age, and is a retrojection, a number from the writer’s own time cast back upon that ancient population, so as to identify the writer’s Israel with that ancient population.

    Logistically, the entire figure for the Exodus Israelites seems to be closer to 2,000,000, since it does not include women and children. And that figure seems to raise logistical difficulties.

    If anything, this theory - which must surely have been suggested already - oversimplifies the issue, since the text as we have it shows signs of being composite.

    I’m agnostic about the historicity of the Exodus. IMO the accounts of it are Israelite foundation-legends, not unlike the legends and myths of Greece, except that the Biblical texts are “God-breathed”.
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