Holocaust study: Two-thirds of millennials don’t know what Auschwitz is

[Bill the Cat]

The views of unintelligent and uneducated people might be right or they might be wrong, but they aren't a particularly good guide to truth.

The poor usually vote left-wing because left-wing policies are more financially beneficial to the poor than right-wing policies. So, self-interest. Likewise a lot of rich people vote right-wing because they don't like to be taxed - similar self-interest.

The demographic least likely to vote out of self-interest and most likely to vote based on their accurate understanding of what policies would most benefit society as a whole, are intelligent educated people who have decent jobs and aren't hard-up for cash but whom aren't super-wealthy business owners. e.g. college professors, journalists, etc.

Wow. What an elitist snob you are.

[Cow Poke]

Polling data shows in the US that the more educated a person is the more likely they are to identify as liberal....

Perhaps you've never considered that, in many cases, 'the more educated a person is' is simply a function of their butt being in the right seats for the right duration of time. How smart is it to go thousands or even hundreds of thousands of dollars in debt to get a piece of paper that 'overqualifies' you from getting a job to pay that debt off? Yeah, absolutely GENIUS!

[Cow Poke]

Anybody else notice that highly educated Starlight is awfully liberal in referring to studies and surveys for which he fails to provide a cite? So very unscholarly.

[Sparko]

Educated and intelligent are not the same thing

[Cow Poke]

Educated and intelligent are not the same thing

EGGzackly.... like I said, 'education' "is simply a function of their butt being in the right seats for the right duration of time". My wife, who only has a BS degree, often gets to "proof and correct" the publications that her PhD bosses write. Frequently, she'll email me a block of text to help her make sense of something they wrote.... some of their wording is just downright horrendous! Nobody has ever come back to her and said "I like it better the way I wrote it".

[lilpixieofterror]

Polling data shows in the US that the more educated a person is the more likely they are to identify as liberal. The same trends are seen in other countries. I think there are several reasons for this, but the most basic one is that intelligent and informed people are more likely to be correct in their views than unintelligent and uneducated people.

Smart people also once supported eugenics, slavery, etc.

[Starlight]

And, while you're at it, how bout posting this "one US study".

Well google gives me this article that cites 3 studies:

Data shows a surprising campus free speech problem: left-wingers being fired for their opinions

Does “political correctness” really crush conservative speech on campus? The data suggests no...

a data analysis from March by the director of Georgetown University’s Free Speech Project suggests that this “crisis” is more than a little overblown... According to the Department of Education, there are 4,583 colleges and universities in the United States (including two- and four-year institutions). The fact that there were roughly only 60 [free-speech suppression] incidents in the past two years suggests that free speech crises are extremely rare events and don’t define university life in the way that critics suggest...

“Most of the incidents where presumptively conservative speech has been interrupted or squelched in the last two or three years seem to involve the same few speakers: Milo Yiannopoulos, Ben Shapiro, Charles Murray, and Ann Coulter ,” Sanford Ungar, the project’s director, writes. “In some instances, they seem to invite, and delight in, disruption.”

What Ungar is suggesting here is that the “campus free speech” crisis is somewhat manufactured. Conservative student groups invite speakers famous for offensive and racially charged speech — all of the above speakers fit that bill — in a deliberate attempt to provoke the campus left. In other words, they’re trolling. When students react by protesting or disrupting the event, the conservatives use it as proof that there’s real intolerance for conservative ideas.

The other key thing that emerges from the Georgetown data, according to Ungar, is that these protests and disruptions don’t just target the right. “Our data also include many incidents, generally less well-publicized, where lower-profile scholars, speakers, or students who could be considered to be on the left have been silenced or shut down,” he writes.

Examples include Princeton professor Keeanga-Yamahtta Taylor’s commencement speech being canceled after receiving death threats for criticizing President Donald Trump and the president of Sonoma State University apologizing for allowing a black student to read a poem critical of police violence at commencement.

There’s little reason, according to Ungar, to conclude from any of this that conservative views are uniquely unwelcome on campus...

Jeffrey Sachs, a political scientist at Canada’s Acadia University, put together a database of all incidents where a professor was dismissed for political speech in the United States between 2015 and 2017. Sachs’s results, published by the left-libertarian Niskanen Center, actually found that left-wing professors were more frequently dismissed for their speech than conservative ones...

There are well over 4,000 colleges and universities in the United States. And multiple attempts to catalog free speech incidents on campus, from different sources, keep coming up with numbers in the dozens. And of those dozens, a fairly large percentage of the targets are liberals, and a fairly large percentage of the others were conservative speakers who seem to have come to campus with the intent of provoking students.

Jeffrey Sachs' research on fired college professors which he talks about here is perhaps the most interesting of those 3 studies:

[there were] 45 cases from 2015 to 2017 where a faculty member was fired, resigned, or demoted/denied promotion due to speech deemed by critics as political. Of these, more than half (26) occurred in 2017, the clear majority (19) being over liberal speech...

For liberals, the most common types of speech to result in termination were those perceived by critics as “anti-white” or “anti-Christian” (e.g. George Ciccariello-Maher, Phillip Lestman). For conservatives, they were “anti-minority” or “anti-diversity” (e.g. Susan Quade, Paul Griffiths).

Interestingly the largest category there isn't pro-Palestinian speech, so that can't have been the study I remember seeing.

Possibly it was the study in this article here I'm remembering:

Major Report Exposes Insidious Campaign Against Pro-Palestine Activists on US Campuses

Universities often face overwhelming, disproportionate pressure from powerful donors to censor the speech of professors and students.

When Palestinian-American professor Steven Salaita received the e-mail that he was being fired from a tenured position at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign, he was crushed...

Professor Salaita’s case, unfortunately, is not unique. Students and professors seeking to change the status quo in Israel/Palestine are frequently censored, punished, or subjected to baseless legal complaints. They are branded as “uncivil” or “divisive” or falsely accused of supporting terrorism and anti-Semitism when they hold events, distribute fliers, or support the growing boycott, divestment, and sanctions (BDS) movement.

On September 30, Palestine Legal and the Center for Constitutional Rights released a groundbreaking report documenting the widespread suppression of Palestine human rights advocacy in the United States. Over an 18-month period, from January 1, 2014, through June 30, 2015, we responded to nearly 300 incidents of censorship, punishment, or other burdening of advocacy for Palestinian rights. Eighty-five percent of these incidents targeted students and scholars.

It seems absurd that on a US college campus, where principles of academic freedom and free speech are presumed to be among the strongest in the world, that professors are censured for expressing criticism of a nation-state, or that students are summoned by administrators and forced to explain why they are “singling out” Israel.

Yet this is the kind of speech suppression that Palestine Legal has consistently witnessed in the three years my organization has been documenting the suppression of Palestine activism in the United States.

....Israel advocacy groups such as these have been at the forefront of campaigns to pressure universities to investigate, punish, and censor Palestine activists. They have kept dossiers on pro-Palestinian activists, falsely accused Students for Justice in Palestine chapters of having ties to Hamas, tried to get an Israeli professor’s Cal State speaking tour canceled, complained to the California State Controller that a Palestinian-American scholar’s research trip to Palestine constituted an abuse of state funds, and urged Congress and the Department of Education to defund Middle East studies programs because they have an “anti-Israel bias.”

...In the academic realm, public-records-act-request documents reveal that donors threatened to stop giving to the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign if Steven Salaita was allowed to begin teaching after tweeting passionately about the suffering of Palestinians in Gaza over the summer of 2014. “Having been a multiple 6 figure donor to Illinois over the years I know our support is ending as we vehemently disagree with the approach this individual espouses,” said one e-mail.

...Israel advocacy groups and big donors like the Koch brothers and Shillman are akin to the railroad magnates of our day. Contemporary universities, starved for cash and increasingly governed by professional managers, are too willing to throw academic communities perceived to be supportive of Palestinian rights under the bus in exchange for protecting the endowment.

P.S. Sachs' list of university firings is worth a peruse because it lists the reasons for all the academic firings, e.g. "Posted Facebook comments critical of Jews and Israel", "Wrote approvingly about gay sex and homosexuality", "Tweeted that "Trump must hang"", "Told a joke in class about a Pakistani call center" etc.

[Bill the Cat]

I don't consider him a reliable conveyor of information. His rumors of what his daughter said his professor said would also be 3rd hand chinese whispers filtered through 2 layers of unsympathetic point of views.

So, I have actually attended a 4 year US college, a 2 year US business college, my 2 daughters are seniors at their respective US unis, my best friend's dad teaches at a US uni, I do side database work for 3 US universities, and I have audited some of my girls' classes, but the Kiwi knows more about US universities than I do? You're a moron.

[Starlight]

So where do conservatives fit into your paradigm? Rich and stupid?

If you're asking for factual demographic data as to which US demographics are more likely to identify as conservative, then the answer is uneducated, rich, old, white, evangelical.

If you're asking for my personal opinion, then I think rich, stupid, elderly, selfish, greedy, uneducated and racist pretty much sums it up, yes.

[Cow Poke]

Educated and intelligent are not the same thing

Mrs CP and I were watching a History Channel special the other night about the incredible inventions from which we benefit every day - most of which were developed by persons who had little to no formal education. Some were even High School dropouts.

[Starlight]

So, I have actually attended a 4 year US college, a 2 year US business college.

And you still manage to write the crazy things you do in this forum? The mind boggles as to how someone so educated can be so dumb so often.

[Bill the Cat]

If you're asking for factual demographic data as to which US demographics are more likely to identify as conservative, then the answer is uneducated, rich, old, white, evangelical.

If you're asking for my personal opinion, then I think rich, stupid, elderly, selfish, greedy, uneducated and racist pretty much sums it up, yes.

https://www.vox.com/polyarchy/2016/6...-wealthy-party

[One Bad Pig]

And you still manage to write the crazy things you do in this forum? The mind boggles as to how someone so educated can be so dumb so often.

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[Starlight]

https://www.vox.com/polyarchy/2016/6...-wealthy-party

Which is an article about how the super-wealthy have supported Republicans over the Democrats in all but one election in the last 50 years, thus proving my point and disproving yours. Care to punch yourself in the face some more?

[Bill the Cat]

And you still manage to write the crazy things you do in this forum? The mind boggles as to how someone so educated can be so dumb so often.

I find myself asking the same question about you