Holocaust study: Two-thirds of millennials don’t know what Auschwitz is

[Cow Poke]

You'd thought wrong. My daughter is a history major specializing in WW2 and the concentration camps. Just last year, she and 4 other of her fellow history majors toured 6 concentration camps in Germany...

You just reminded me - on one of our trips to Israel, we met the Colonel whose job it was to be sure that all recruits for Israeli Defense Forces* took two specific field trips -- one was to old town Jerusalem to learn the history in detail, and the other was a field trip to the death camps.



*not sure if it was ALL recruits, or a special unit, but he was very emphatic that they know why they are prepared to fight

[Cow Poke]

Quite sobering...

[Cow Poke]

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[RumTumTugger]

Given there's pretty much an infinity of things that can be learned but not an infinity of time to learn it in, one can always find fault with any possible school curriculum for teaching one thing rather than another. I've had 23 years of formal education and there's still plenty I don't know about plenty of topics.

yep topics like American history, politics and juresprudence. the Science behind Abortion, Christian Thought throughout history, the Bible to name a few.

So I don't find complaints of the form "The school curriculum doesn't teach my favorite topic enough for my tastes / in precisely the way I'd like it to" to be interesting.

But this is not just any old topic we are talking about here Starlight as George Santayana in 1905 said "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it." we damn well better keep teaching about the Holocaust or we will be condemned to have a repetition of it. NEVER AGAIN should be our motto and for you imply that the Holocaust is just a topic that some people are and should be interested in shows how broken your moral compass really is.

[Sparko]

You could try attending a college to learn how wrong you are about this. Plus, y'know, you'd learn stuff.

My best friend teaches at a local college. I get enough stories about the student's ignorance and the school's policies to have a pretty good idea about what goes on in colleges.

[Starlight]

yep topics like American history, politics and juresprudence. the Science behind Abortion, Christian Thought throughout history, the Bible to name a few.

Sure, those are some of my expertise.

I get enough stories about the student's ignorance and the school's policies to have a pretty good idea about what goes on in colleges.

You and your fellow conservatives seem to think colleges have some sort of compulsory Liberal Indoctrination classes that they brainwash the masses with. I'm left scratching my head as to when and how you think these occur.

[Bill the Cat]

Sure, those are some of my expertise.

You and your fellow conservatives seem to think colleges have some sort of compulsory Liberal Indoctrination classes that they brainwash the masses with.

They called those classes "Diversity" and "Human Relations" when I went to college. My daughters' colleges called them "University Life 101"

I'm left scratching my head as to when and how you think these occur.

No surprise...

[Cow Poke]

I'm left scratching my head as to when and how you think these occur.

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[Starlight]

They called those classes "Diversity" and "Human Relations" when I went to college. My daughters' colleges called them "University Life 101"

Are these classes compulsory at institutions you are familiar with? How many hours of compulsory courses on these topics are you talking about? I'm unfamiliar with the idea of universities having compulsory courses and I'm seeing nothing relevant googling "University Life 101".

[Cow Poke]

You and your fellow conservatives seem to think colleges have some sort of compulsory Liberal Indoctrination classes that they brainwash the masses with.

No, it's just that the vast majority of college professors - just like American journalists - are liberals, and they advance their cause.

• Faculty members were more likely to categorize themselves as moderate (46.1 percent) than liberal (44.1 percent). Conservatives trailed at 9.2 percent.
• Faculty members, when examined by sector, differed widely. At community colleges, 19 percent of faculty members called themselves conservatives, and only 37.1 percent said they were liberals. Liberal arts college faculty members were most likely to identify as liberal (61 percent, compared to only 3.9 percent as conservatives).
• When it came to voting, professors (even in the humanities) were not a monolith, with 15 percent in the humanities saying they had voted for President Bush in his re-election bid. Bush won just under a third of the vote in business and just over a third in computer science and engineering. And Bush won a narrow majority of votes from faculty members in the health sciences.
• The professors approaching their emeritus years were significantly to the left of those coming into academe. Among those aged 50-64, 17.2 percent identified themselves as left activists, while only 1.3 percent of those aged 26-35 did so.
• On social issues, professors had strong views in support of gay rights and abortion rights, and most believed Bush misled the nation about Iraq. But professors were split on affirmative action.

Now, before you get too excited about the percentage that self-identify as "moderate" - when this study was published, most liberals were too chicken to admit they were liberals, so the identified as moderates.

So there don't have to be any "compulsory Liberal Indoctrination classes".

[Sparko]

Sure, those are some of my expertise.

You and your fellow conservatives seem to think colleges have some sort of compulsory Liberal Indoctrination classes that they brainwash the masses with. I'm left scratching my head as to when and how you think these occur.

Have you not been reading the articles we have posted in various threads here on tweb?

Ask Bill the Cat about his daughter's professor.

[Starlight]

No, it's just that the vast majority of college professors - just like American journalists - are liberals

Well of course intelligent and informed people would hold a position that is correct. I'm being serious here, not sarcastic. If a position were correct you would the vast majority of people in positions of expertise - like professors and journalists whose profession involves accurately knowing things about the world - to hold that position.

and they advance their cause.

It's this part where you lose me. Do you imagine half way through a computer science lecture... "Now students there are 8 bits in a byte, oh and by the way you should all love LGBT people! Now the CPU connects to the RAM via the bridge..."

Having done 10 years of courses at university in 3 qualifications I can assure you that 0% of that was any kind of training in liberalism. The literal grand total of anything and everything that could be considered liberal in 10 years was that my PhD supervisor was a lesbian, a topic she never discussed and I never met her partner, and in a small group research team an elderly professor once made a comment that he didn't really understand why scientifically-minded people would be anything other than atheists and then apologetically inquired if anyone present was religious and the half-dozen people present all said they were atheists. In the Philosophy of Religion course that I chose to do I had no idea of the religious views of the lecturer as she never showed any personal views.

So when people here - usually people who have never attended university themselves - rant and ramble about how universities are some sort of liberal indoctrination institutions, I usually just write them off as nutters.

[Starlight]

Have you not been reading the articles we have posted in various threads here on tweb?

Sometimes. Most of them seem to be fake news sites so I try to avoid those ones. Many of the others are so person getting hysterical about something incredibly minor happening once at one place, and they cry blue murder over it and pretend its happening everywhere all the time. Usually I laugh or roll my eyes. Generally I just don't bother reading the thread if I can see from the title its some sort of dumb paranoia-mongering. You guys are so gullible in believing the most crazy stuff.

Ask Bill the Cat about his daughter's professor.

I don't consider him a reliable conveyor of information. His rumors of what his daughter said his professor said would also be 3rd hand chinese whispers filtered through 2 layers of unsympathetic point of views. You guys butcher my own views enough in your own direct replies to my posts that I wince to think what could be done to any random professors' views at 3rd hand.

[lilpixieofterror]

Well of course intelligent and informed people would hold a position that is correct. I'm being serious here, not sarcastic. If a position were correct you would the vast majority of people in positions of expertise - like professors and journalists whose profession involves accurately knowing things about the world - to hold that position.

It's this part where you lose me. Do you imagine half way through a computer science lecture... "Now students there are 8 bits in a byte, oh and by the way you should all love LGBT people! Now the CPU connects to the RAM via the bridge..."

Having done 10 years of courses at university in 3 qualifications I can assure you that 0% of that was any kind of training in liberalism. The literal grand total of anything and everything that could be considered liberal in 10 years was that my PhD supervisor was a lesbian, a topic she never discussed and I never met her partner, and in a small group research team an elderly professor once made a comment that he didn't really understand why scientifically-minded people would be anything other than atheists and then apologetically inquired if anyone present was religious and the half-dozen people present all said they were atheists. In the Philosophy of Religion course that I chose to do I had no idea of the religious views of the lecturer as she never showed any personal views.

So when people here - usually people who have never attended university themselves - rant and ramble about how universities are some sort of liberal indoctrination institutions, I usually just write them off as nutters.

I like how Starlight assumes his own premise that his liberal beliefs are correct and moves from. Problem is that being smart and educated doesn’t make you automatically right and plenty of smart people have supported some pretty bad ideas. I also like how he discounts people’s views and actual experiences with his own and automatically assumes his experiences are universal. It’s not as though most people will be upfront with their views. Some are pretty soft and less obvious with them.

[lilpixieofterror]

Sometimes. Most of them seem to be fake news sites so I try to avoid those ones. Many of the others are so person getting hysterical about something incredibly minor happening once at one place, and they cry blue murder over it and pretend its happening everywhere all the time. Usually I laugh or roll my eyes. Generally I just don't bother reading the thread if I can see from the title its some sort of dumb paranoia-mongering. You guys are so gullible in believing the most crazy stuff.

I don't consider him a reliable conveyor of information. His rumors of what his daughter said his professor said would also be 3rd hand chinese whispers filtered through 2 layers of unsympathetic point of views. You guys butcher my own views enough in your own direct replies to my posts that I wince to think what could be done to any random professors' views at 3rd hand.

And Starlight automatically discounts anyone that doesn’t share his views and tells him stuff he doesn’t like hearing. I guess that’s a great way to keep your bubble intact, simply read and listen those who agree with you and automatically discount those that don’t.