Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ed Markey to unveil 'Green New Deal' bill

[lilpixieofterror]

Great! Also, unsurprising. Also... so why the objection to the Green New Deal wanting more of what's already happening?

I see you’ve avoided answering where you get your information from because the objection is over the major change. See, older buildings are grandfathered in and only need to worry about new codes for new construction. Making 200 million+ buildings comply with new standards would cost billions.

One source of numbers and graphs on the subject (wiki). But it's nothing you can't google.

So where did you get your hydroelectric number from?

Nuclear power is a non-greenhouse gas emitting method for electricity generation that is often not classed as 'renewable' but sometimes is, or varies depending on the precise nuclear power generation method, and which constitutes ~20% of current US electricity generation. The DOE's "renewables" definition isn't including nuclear, and my figure for non-greenhouse emitting methods did include it, hence different numbers.

Nuclear power has long been a divisive topic, as it offers powerful pros along with powerful cons, and how one thinks they balance out is rather subjective. Some people view the expansion of nuclear power usage as an easy solution to the problem of climate change, others think that nuclear power in general should be phased out. Personally, I think nuclear power is a decent choice and nuclear capacity should probably be expanded (although Republican states in the US seem to typically use new nuclear power plant projects as a way to funnel taxpayer money to private companies who don't actually end up building the power plant, thus costing $9 billion in South Carolina and $28 billion in Georgia but not producing actual power plants... ).

Too bad part of the energy deal is shutting down nuclear power.

Something that may be controversial about the final Green New Deal may be whether it explicitly embraces or explicitly rejects nuclear power. I suspect the negotiation process will split the difference and stay relatively silent on the subject. The current Resolution text before congress does not mention the word nuclear, and its commitment to zero-emission sources is worded:

meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, renewable, and zero-emission energy sources

It is not clear whether nuclear power meets that criteria or not, and I suspect the ambiguity was quite intentional. I suspect the final approach by the Democrats post-special-committee analysis, will be to neither say anything against nuclear power nor anything for it, and that it will be allowed to be counted toward the 100% zero-emitting sources goal but that it won't be encouraged or subsidized. But that's just me guessing. It could well be affected by what, if anything, 2020 presidential candidates say about nuclear power.

That’s nice, but this thread is about the new green energy deal and it is against nuclear power too.

More dams is impractical in the US because most rivers that could reasonably be dammed already have been. However many existing dams are not currently being used for power generation and could be altered to be power stations. You would indeed need/want quite a lot of wind turbines and solar cells, and it would require covering land area equivalent to ~1%-3% of the state of Arizona with them to supply the entire country's electricity needs off them alone. So I suggest retaining the country's existing hydro and nuclear production and supplementing it with solar and wind power would be a better way to go.

Yet again you’re avoiding what the new energy deal says along with the problems of high energy storage not being up to demand as well as the fact you need increased energy capacity to charge all of these electric cars with. It is kinda amusing that you keep ignoring these issues and simply repeat what you already said with zero acknowledgement of these issues.

[lilpixieofterror]

Dec 12: More than 80 percent of registered voters support the Green New Deal proposal being pushed by progressional Democratic lawmakers, a new poll found.
The survey conducted by the Yale Program on Climate Communication and the George Mason University Center for Climate Change Communication found that 92 percent of Democrats and 64 percent of Republicans back the Green New Deal plan.

Feb 2: Overall, 43 percent of voters supported the measure and 38 percent opposed, with 10 percent neither supporting nor opposing and 9 percent responding that they were “unsure of their opinion.”


That's a pretty substantial drop from when it was just an idea to after the reveal.

It’s likely that most seem to understand it for what it actually is... a socialist take over, with a little green paint slapped on it.

[rogue06]

This should be interesting:


McConnell to bring Green New Deal to vote, forcing 2020 Dems to go on record...

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcc...o-radical-plan

Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA), who along with Ocasio-Cortez, co-authored the resolution/bill is livid saying it is all a plot to "sabotage" it. Of course he hasn't exactly explained how allowing a vote on what he and dingbat proposed is tantamount to sabotaging it


As an aside, Wikipedia lists McConnell as being one of the resolution's proponents.

[Cow Poke]

Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA), who along with Ocasio-Cortez, co-authored the resolution/bill is livid saying it is all a plot to "sabotage" it. Of course he hasn't exactly explained how allowing a vote on what he and dingbat proposed is tantamount to sabotaging it


As an aside, Wikipedia lists McConnell as being one of the resolution's proponents.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if it actually passed?

[rogue06]

Oh ye of little faith. I'm confident he'll cope just fine.

I'm not talking about him coping but rather that others should keep this in mind the next time he starts insisting that something is either true or false in the face of contradicting evidence. We now have indisputable proof that he'll mindlessly regurgitate his talking points even when it flies in the face of reality -- just like little jimmy does.

[rogue06]

Wouldn't it be a hoot if it actually passed?

Pelosi will work harder to make sure that the vote isn't even close than she did to fight Trump's wall. She's well aware that success would torpedo any chance to take back the White House in 2020 but would also result in the Democrats going right back to minority status in the House as well.

[One Bad Pig]

I'm not talking about him coping but rather that others should keep this in mind the next time he starts insisting that something is either true or false in the face of contradicting evidence. We now have indisputable proof that he'll mindlessly regurgitate his talking points even when it flies in the face of reality -- just like little jimmy does.

You're only just now discovering this?

[rogue06]

You're only just now discovering this?

I don't take him seriously enough to follow what he says that often.

I've heard others claim he's more intelligent than little jimmy but it is obvious that he is merely more articulate.

[Mountain Man]

Rep. Ed Markey (D-MA), who along with Ocasio-Cortez, co-authored the resolution/bill is livid saying it is all a plot to "sabotage" it. Of course he hasn't exactly explained how allowing a vote on what he and dingbat proposed is tantamount to sabotaging it

Probably because he knows a vote will destroy this nonsense before it even gets started. Even Nancy Pelosi knows better than to pull the "We have to pass it before we can know what's in it" stunt a second time.

[Mountain Man]

I've heard others claim he's more intelligent than little jimmy but it is obvious that he is merely more articulate.

You do realize that "more intelligent than little jimmy" is setting the bar rather low.

[rogue06]

Probably because he knows a vote will destroy this nonsense before it even gets started. Even Nancy Pelosi knows better than to pull the "We have to pass it before we can know what's in it" stunt a second time.

It'll be interesting to see how many of it's co-sponsors won't vote for it

[One Bad Pig]

I don't take him seriously enough to follow what he says that often.

I've heard others claim he's more intelligent than little jimmy but it is obvious that he is merely more articulate.

He probably has a higher IQ than I do. That doesn't mean he's automatically more correct on issues.

[Sparko]

He probably has a higher IQ than I do. That doesn't mean he's automatically more correct on issues.

The smarter they are the dumber they fall?

[Cow Poke]

He probably has a higher IQ than I do. That doesn't mean he's automatically more correct on issues.

Pigs are some of the smartest critters on the planet!

[DesertBerean]

We have a major electric recharging station up in our outlet mall area, right off the I-15. Since Barstow is the midpoint between SoCal port/beach cities and Las Vegas NV, that makes sense. There's a smaller one on East Main mostly for non-Tesla vehicles, off the junction of the I-15 and the I-40. I haven't seen any breakout on the usage yet so will have to do some digging.