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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Ed Markey to unveil 'Green New Deal' bill
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"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostPart of working on the bill as it develops will to nail down exactly what that does or doesn't mean, assuming that this idea is retained in the final version.
But to give you some examples of what it might mean from my own country where the government has been quite busy on the subject over the past few years...
Government passes Healthy Homes bill, requiring all rentals to be warm and dry
...the new Government have passed a law requiring rentals to be warm, dry, and well ventilated.
The law will require landlords to guarantee that any new tenancy from July 1, 2019 must be either properly insulated or contain a heating source able to make the home warm and dry. All tenancies must meet the new standards by July 1, 2024.
The exact requirements are not in the bill, but will be set by the Government before 2019. Grants of up to $2000 will be available for eligible landlords to upgrade their stock.
A local university has produced the following checklist that they suggested is appropriate for houses to comply with in order to confirm they are warm, dry, safe etc, that they are suggesting the government should adopt:
Kitchen
Wall, ceiling and floor linings intact
Surfaces clear of mould
Functioning stove and oven
Effective ventilation to the outside
+Opening window with secure latch
+ Window security stays (where required)
Adequate food preparation and storage
Hot water at tap (55°C±5°C)
Potable water supply
Waste water drainage with sound connection
Working artificial lighting
Visibly safe power outlets and light switches
Living Areas
Wall, ceiling and floor linings intact
Surfaces clear of mould
Effective ventilation to the outside
+Opening window with secure latch
+ Window security stays (where required)
Working artificial lighting
Heating, fixed, effective and safe
Visibly safe power outlets and light switches
Curtains/blinds/double glazing present
etc. (see the link for other rooms of the house)"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostUnlike Trump she actually lives it - she took no PAC or big donor money for her campaign. Whereas Trump is probably the single most corrupt president with the single most corrupt cabinet in US history.
The right are such losers that they can only win elections by duping their gullible low-information base into believing they might actually implement left wing policies like anti-corruption laws.That's what
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostShe took PAC money from Justice Democrats and MoveOn
Justice Democrats is a left wing group committed to fighting corruption and campaigning for progressive policies loosely equivalent to what the Tea Party was on the right, and AOC is one of half a dozen members of it to be elected in 2018. And MoveOn is an activist liberal group that's been around for years."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostNote the lack of who is going to pay for all millions of upgrades."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI often don't agree with her on policy issues, political tactics, public statements, or money in politics, but I will say this for Nancy Pelosi: She is quite astute at her job and balancing competing factions and corralling her caucus to vote with a single voice on issues.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostIf you're talking about my country then you may have missed the subsidy the govt was providing to landlords for the upgrades. There's been plenty of discussion here about what percentage of the upgrade costs is likely to come out of the landlord's pockets vs be passed on to tenants via rent increases. Nobody thinks such things magically pay for themselves... although maybe you are silly enough to think people think that?!"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostTax money doesn’t magically come from the heavens and how far is this going? Do home owners get a chance to have their homes upgraded too? And how far do these upgrades go?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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They also want to increase nationwide high speed rail service to the point that air travel will be unnecessary.
Sure, if you don't mind a trip taking 15-hours by train that would take 3-hours by jet.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThey also want to increase nationwide high speed rail service to the point that air travel will be unnecessary.
Sure, if you don't mind a trip taking 15-hours by train that would take 3-hours by jet."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Here's where the smartest fart on the planet was mocking my claim to have seen AOC claim this would be done (or projected to be done) in 12 years --- they're actually talking 10!!!
Originally posted by Starlight View PostI think I saw today where you got this crazy end of the stick from. In an interview she said she would like the US to aim to be carbon neutral in 12 years.
Note: Ocasio-Cortez’s office has taken down their page describing the Green New Deal.
A number of Democratic Party presidential hopefuls — including Cory Booker, Kamala Harris, Elizabeth Warren, Kirsten Gillibrand, Julián Castro, and Beto O’Rourke, for starters — have already endorsed or expressed support for the “Green New Deal” (GND). Today, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and Sen. Edward J. Markey dropped details about her plan.
It is not hyperbole to contend that GND is likely the most ridiculous and un-American plan that’s ever been presented by an elected official to voters. Not merely because it would necessitate a communist strongman to institute, but also because the societal cost are unfathomable. The risible historic analogies Markey and Ocasio-Cortez rely on, the building of the interstate highway system or moon landing, are nothing but trifling projects compared to a plan overhauls modernity by voluntarily destroying massive amounts of wealth and technology. That is the GND.
While some of the specifics need to be ironed out, the plan’s authors assure that this “massive transformation of our society” needs some “clear goals and a timeline.” The timeline is ten years. Here are some of the goals:
And the specific claim I saw here talking about (though I'm pretty sure she was saying 12 years -- maybe she thought she needed a 2 year cushion)
Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.
But, then again, Mr "I know absolutely everything there is to know about the US" admits that he's the biggest exaggerator on the planet*!
*That's a slight exaggeration as he was actually just claiming that "Exaggeration is my favorite rhetorical device"The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHere's where the smartest fart on the planet was mocking my claim to have seen AOC claim this would be done (or projected to be done) in 12 years --- they're actually talking 10!!!
From the article....
It is not hyperbole to contend that GND is likely the most ridiculous and un-American plan that’s ever been presented by an elected official to voters.
Eliminate 99 percent of cars. To be fair, under the GND, everyone will need to retrofit their cars with Flintstones-style foot holes or pedals for cycling. The authors state that the GND would like to replace every “combustion-engine vehicle” — trucks, airplanes, boats, and 99 percent of cars — within ten years. Charging stations for electric vehicles will be built “everywhere,” though how power plants will provide the energy needed to charge them is a mystery.
And "Flinstones-style foot holes"... do you know how absurd you make yourself look linking to this sort of drooling insanity of an article?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThe writer of that article is an absolute lunatic.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostAnd skipping smaller destinations, putting tens of thousands of good paid aircraft workers out of work, and setting travel back to the early 20th century. Other than those few issues, it’s a great plan.
1. Or as Nancy Pelosi calls it, "funemployment"
I'm always still in trouble again
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe left has always had little regard for anything between the coasts except for one or two cities like Chicago (sneeringly referring to it as "fly over country") so I doubt that they'd care much what it would do to them. They might even see driving millions into welfare and unemployment[1] as a way to recruit new voters.
1. Or as Nancy Pelosi calls it, "funemployment""The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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