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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThere is not adequate information/evidence to call those accusations "false." At best, they are "unproven."
So - speculation....Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostThat's what Teh Interwebz sez.
Sounds to me like an argument for raising the minimum voting age.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThat's when they say the brain has fully matured. I'm living proof that those numbers are off.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by JimL View PostPerhaps, but then you'd need to raise the age to 25 for military service as well, and you know that ain't happening.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostKavanaugh was a teenager - they're expected to do really dumb stuff - this guy was 25 years old and a med school graduate (or close to it).
And 25 years old is still not past the age of "making stupid decisions," especially about things like costumes. Prince Harry was 21 when he wore his Nazi costume. I'm not going to suggest a person pay for the rest of their life for wearing the wrong costume 30 years ago. If there was a pattern of racist behavior (as Star noted) after that incident, it would be different. I have found nothing to suggest such a thing.
What I see is the left piling on because they desperately do not want to be seen as racist - and the right piling on because it's a guy from the left. I'm not joining either side.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Terraceth View PostIt's true that was far more serious, but the debated issue with Kavanaugh wasn't whether such a thing should disqualify him, but whether it happened to begin with. There's no doubt that in this case, the incident actually occurred. Another difference that's notable is that there the whole issue was about whether Kavanaugh would get a promotion to the Supreme Court. Very few were arguing that he should resign his current position as a result of the controversy. I don't know if the two cases are necessarily that comparable.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View PostAh, the old "IF TRUE...!!!" technique.
I was talking more about stuff from Kavanaugh's high school yearbook. Silly, vague stuff they tried to use against him. Governor dipwad's stuff was about 7 or 8 years later in life and more explicitly "off-color," so to speak -- and still not worthy of demanding his resignation IMO.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post"Unproven" as in there was no evidence to corroborate the accuser's claims,
Originally posted by Mountain Man View Postthere was quite a lot of evidence against,
Originally posted by Mountain Man View Postand their stories fell apart under scrutiny.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhich is just another way of saying that the accusations against Moore and Kavanaugh were false.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostNo "no evidence"
And much of what was considered "evidence against" was nothing of the kind. There were a few testimonies from peers - but pretty much just as many opposing. Most of the rest of the "evidence" was, IMO, speculation and often took the form of "the absence of evidence about X is evidence."
I don't recall any stories "falling apart" under scrutiny. What I recall is two people with inadequate evidence to make their case.
No - not "false" - simply "not proven." There was nor adequate evidence to support OR refute the charges, AFAICT.
In Kavanaugh's case, Ford couldn't remember key details, corroborating witnesses rejected the claims, and Ford's narrative went through a number of variations, and she was caught i telling several lies.
To claim that the accusations are merely "unproven", as if to suggest that they could still be true despite the contrary evidence, is intellectually dishonest.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIn Moore's case, the primary accuser could not remember key details, and the timeline in which she claimed everything happened was impossible.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIn Kavanaugh's case, Ford couldn't remember key details, corroborating witnesses rejected the claims, and Ford's narrative went through a number of variations, and she was caught i telling several lies.
Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTo claim that the accusations are merely "unproven", as if to suggest that they could still be true despite the contrary evidence, is intellectually dishonest.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Postif Kavanaugh did was he has been accused of, I don't care WHAT age he was. ....The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd we already saw that some of 'was' he was accused of was outright lies.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIf, indeed, he had been the sexual predator and serial rapist the liars claimed he was, he most certainly shouldn't be a judge.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Is this really the standard you want, carpe, that when someone is accused of something, the cloud of suspicion shall linger over their heads until the accusations have been definitively disproven, even if the claims of the accusers fall apart under scrutiny?
I guess the concept of "Innocent until proven guilty" is lost on you.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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