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    Who Didn't See This Coming...

    So the stupid English put a male rapist in a woman's prison...

    On 11 October 2018, a Crown Court judge handed down a sentence of life imprisonment to Karen White of West Yorkshire, England, who had pleaded guilty to multiple counts of rape, sexual assault, and unlawful (malicious) wounding.

    The case was unusual, to say the least. As the Yorkshire Evening Post reported, White is a transgender female who committed at least one of the rapes years ago when she still identified as a male. Stranger still, she committed the assaults on female inmates after being transferred from a menís to a womenís jail due to her declared gender change.

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    Given rape in US jails is almost proverbial, I suggest you might want to deal with that branch in your own eye before pointing to this twig in the eye of the English.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Starlight View Post
    Given rape in US jails is almost proverbial, I suggest you might want to deal with that branch in your own eye before pointing to this twig in the eye of the English.
    I won't ask the question, because the answer is obvious: You are insane. This is not about prison rape in the UK or the US, and if you cared at all about that issue, this wouldn't be how you'd go about bringing it up. This is about the obvious facts that a man who is sent to prison for raping women is going to continue raping women if he has the opportunity.

    But let me guess: Women being raped is a small price to pay to protect the feelings of gender-special men. You and the rest of the left are sick and sadistic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaC View Post
    I won't ask the question, because the answer is obvious: You are insane. This is not about prison rape in the UK or the US, and if you cared at all about that issue, this wouldn't be how you'd go about bringing it up. This is about the obvious facts that a man who is sent to prison for raping women is going to continue raping women if he has the opportunity.

    But let me guess: Women being raped is a small price to pay to protect the feelings of gender-special men. You and the rest of the left are sick and sadistic.
    Wow...

    Rather than you telepathically attributing your wild imaginings of worst-possible-views to me in your dumpster-fire of a post, let me explain my views:

    1. Of course I am seriously concerned about prison rape. Your utterly bizarre claims that I don't are pretty offensive. I don't think many people in the US realize it's just not something that occurs in most developed countries. The rates in my country, or Canada, for example are zero or close to it. If an incident occurred here there would be a big inquiry about it, and rightly so. It appears to be a serious issue in the UK, but IIRC from last time I checked the rates, the US is 4 times worse than the UK in terms of prison rape rates. I think a lot of people in the US don't realize how shocked the average person from my country is when they see Americans accept prison rape as standard. It's something that shouldn't happen at all, and I consider it a massive stain on your country's morality that you allow it.

    2. Any prisoner sent to prison for any violent crime poses an obvious physical threat to other inmates. This is true of any and all violent prisoners, and hence it is essential that the prisons have good procedures, funding, and staff training to prevent any and all prisoner on prisoner violence of any kind.

    3. As the OP article said, correct existing procedure would have put this person in a mens prison not a women's prison, but for some reason the correct procedure was not followed. So someone stuffed up. That's unfortunately, obviously, and had terrible consequences. It shouldn't have happened. There should be an inquiry into how it happened and it shouldn't happen again.

    4. In the general case, the statistics regarding transgender people are worrying because of violence against them. As a group they are vastly more sinned against than sinners when it comes to violence, especially sexual violence.

    5. Obviously people who don't fit neatly into either gender pose a problem for the criminal justice system in terms of incarceration. Because of #4 above, they are at significant risk of violence against them, and this would obviously be magnified greatly by putting them in with a male prison population if the person was visually different to a normal male, as they are likely to be subjected to bullying at the least but violence and sexual assault against them are serious possibilities. Likewise putting them into a female prison poses risks if they have a masculine build and are physically stronger than the female prisoners or have male genitalia. For these reasons I think a very careful assessment is appropriate for any non-standard-gender person in an incarceration situation. While I think in any properly-run system there should be no violence - and especially no rape (!) - between any of the prisoners, and so theoretically it shouldn't matter which prison they go in because violence and rape will be prevented from occurring by the guards and prison procedures, nonetheless risks should always be minimized and thus it is important to carefully consider which prison they are put in. If there are enough of such people in the prison system it may be sensible to build special prisons for these types of people.

    6. In general, especially because of #4 above I find the conservative fear-mongering about trans-people to be particularly despicable and immoral. Conservatives seem to have put a lot of time, effort, ink, and speech into fomenting slanders and rumors about trans-people and how they are going to go into womens bathrooms and rape everyone etc. These lies and slanders are in general not at all backed by the facts - again see #4 - and in fact trans people as a general rule are vulnerable to precisely the things conservatives tend to falsely accuse them of doing or wanting to do. It is one of the worst cases of blame-the-victim I have ever seen. And now, this thread is playing into precisely that evil narrative that attempts to portray this suffering group as the perpetrators, and tries to justify many years of conservative fear-mongering about trans-people as rapists because literally one such event has finally occurred. (It would be like saying "finally one Christian committed a murder! Therefore I have been right to claim all along that Christians are dangerous murderers!") Thousands of times when transgender people have been raped get ignored by conservatives in their rhetoric because, finally, one event occurred where a transgender person did the raping. It's such a pathetic perversion of logic to think that one event somehow justifies all the hatred that conservatives have been fomenting towards this suffering group.

    7. Your vitriol and attribution of views to me and the left in general is way over the top. Calm down or see a mental health professional or something.
    Last edited by Starlight; 02-01-2019 at 09:56 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LeaC View Post
    I won't ask the question, because the answer is obvious: You are insane. This is not about prison rape in the UK or the US, and if you cared at all about that issue, this wouldn't be how you'd go about bringing it up. This is about the obvious facts that a man who is sent to prison for raping women is going to continue raping women if he has the opportunity.

    But let me guess: Women being raped is a small price to pay to protect the feelings of gender-special men. You and the rest of the left are sick and sadistic.
    The left likes to talk about a War on Women all the while supporting things like allowing men who feel girly on any given day to use women's bathrooms and showers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rogue06 View Post
    The left likes to talk about a War on Women all the while supporting things like allowing men who feel girly on any given day to use women's bathrooms and showers.
    Your mocking and denigrating of transgender people as those who "feel girly on any given day" seems rather uncharitable.

    The values that the left in general has which lead to them taking the positions you describe are love, compassion, tolerance, kindness, and empathy. The left is concerned because both groups have suffered oppression and been often subjected to mistreatment. So the left would like to see both groups thrive and be protected from injustices, and be able to have life, liberty, and freedom to the maximal extent possible.

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    Catering to the delusions of the mentally ill is not loving, kind, and compassionate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Catering to the delusions of the mentally ill is not loving, kind, and compassionate.
    Even if true that is no excuse for mocking. But perhaps calling them "mentally ill" is your expression of love?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chuckles View Post
    Even if true that is no excuse for mocking. But perhaps calling them "mentally ill" is your expression of love?
    It's a simple statement of truth.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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