The Omniscience of God Must Be Defended

**yxboom** · February 24th 2003, 07:40 PM

There is no contradiction. That is no different than saying

Bill Gates is the richest man. That doesn't mean he is the richest man that will ever live.

You are forcing an inconsistency where none exists.

**Freak** · February 24th 2003, 07:49 PM

geebob--

God's Word tells us:

"Great is our Lord and mighty in power; His understanding has no limit."

His understanding of future events is not limited as you propose. For Scripture tells us there is no limits to His understanding. Yet, you desire to limit some of His understanding.

**yxboom** · February 24th 2003, 07:51 PM

Freak can God understand a four-cornered triangle?

**Freak** · February 24th 2003, 07:57 PM

02-24-2003 @ 11:51 PM
yxboom:

Freak can God understand a four-cornered triangle?

"His thoughts are not our thoughts, our ways are not His ways."

"I make known the end from the beginning,
from ancient times, what is still to come.
I say: My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.
From the east I summon a bird of prey;
from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
What I have said, that will I bring about;
what I have planned, that will I do."

He knows all-from beginning to what is to come....

**yxboom** · February 24th 2003, 07:58 PM

Is that a Yes or No?

**yxboom** · February 24th 2003, 08:02 PM

BTW are you a Calvinist now? Because that passage Isaiah is talking about God declaring those things that He will bring to pass not that He just stumbled onto the knowledge of what is going to happen........from your quote:

I say: My purpose will stand,
and I will do all that I please.
From the east I summon a bird of prey;
from a far-off land, a man to fulfill my purpose.
What I have said, that will I bring about;
what I have planned, that will I do."

**Freak** · February 24th 2003, 08:04 PM

02-25-2003 @ 12:02 AM
yxboom:

BTW are you a Calvinist now? Because that passage Isaiah is talking about God declaring those things that He will bring to pass not that He just stumbled onto the knowledge of what is going to happen........from your quote:

I'm not a Calvinist. I am simply a follower of Jesus Christ who believes God knows all in light of the Scriptural evidence I have provided.

**yxboom** · February 24th 2003, 08:06 PM

So by that passage you posted are you proposing that God is declaring what He WILL DO or that He just knows it is going to happen via an exhaustive foreknowlege?

**Freak** · February 24th 2003, 08:08 PM

I believe, in light of the numerous passages I have listed, that God knows all, past, present, future.

**yxboom** · February 24th 2003, 08:29 PM

In light of that passage you have posted did God declare what HE WOULD bring about or that He just knew it was going to happen? I know you aren't dumb enough to not know where you have painted yourself into now.

**Freak** · February 24th 2003, 08:33 PM

02-25-2003 @ 12:29 AM
yxboom:

In light of that passage you have posted did God declare what HE WOULD bring about or that He just knew it was going to happen? I know you aren't dumb enough to not know where you have painted yourself into now.

As, I have stated earlier, God will carry out what He has purposed. He knows all-past, present, future, and even the realm outside of time and space.

**yxboom** · February 24th 2003, 08:46 PM

Than maybe you would care to explain how God knowing and then declaring what HE HIMSELF will do in your own words "will carry out what He has purposed" prove that He knows all future events. I can declare to you that I am going to eat dinner in a few minutes here so does that make me a prophet because in a few minutes I in fact eat dinner.

If God causes something to take place and declares that it will take place does that mean He knows all the future? The only plausible way for you to reconcile the points and passages you have brought up is that God knows ALL the future because He makes ALL the future or else there are some things God just doesn't know and you have become incoherent or atleast inconsistent.

**Freak** · February 24th 2003, 08:52 PM

01-28-2003 @ 06:28 PM
Freak:

Omniscience is an attribute of God that must be embraced by all orthodox Christians. It is an attribute that is spoken about throughout Holy Scripture.

God's Word tells us:

Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon me, and he told me to say: "This is what the LORD says: That is what you are saying, O house of Israel, but I know what is going through your mind.

Great is our Lord and mighty in power; His understanding has no limit."

Nothing in all creation is hidden from God's sight. Everything is uncovered and laid bare before the eyes of him to whom we must give account

Omniscience simply means "all knowledge"-Holy Scripture points to the truth that God knows all things for He has all knowledge contrary to the heretical open view theory.

Oh, the depth of the riches of the wisdom and knowledge of God!
How unsearchable his judgments,
and his paths beyond tracing out!
"Who has known the mind of the Lord?
Or who has been his counselor?"
"Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay him?"
For from him and through him and to him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen.

The above is what I believe about God and His omniscience. He knows all. The mechanics of His nature I do not know. But, what I do know is clear-He knows the past, present, and future.

**geebob** · February 24th 2003, 11:44 PM

That is an assumption based on what, your hunch?

no, it is the necessity of the situation that the bible presents. The Bible presents a picture where we have libertarian free will.

Again, I ask you whether each man you present the gospel can respond positively. If you say that it is true and yet it is possible for him to be damned, then there is no truth as to which will occur untill it happens.

You see, If it has always been true that the person you will present the gospel to will choose to reject it, then it is not logically possible for him to accept it, because if he did, that would mean that it wasn't true that he would reject it. vice versa is also the case.

Freak, can God know at this very moment that you are dressed in a pink dress (as of the posting of this post)? Probably not because I suspect that your not the type of person who would do such a thing (maybe I'm wrong).

Well why can't he know that? BECAUSE IT IS FALSE! It has no bearing on reality.

So why do you insist that God must know something that isn't true? Why must God know that the persons you will witness to will certainly accept the the Gospel or that the person will certainly not accept the gospel? Why can't God know instead that the person may or may not accept the Gospel. If that is true that that is what an omniscient God knows is it not? Why insist God knows falsehoods unless you really believe that there are two classes of people who's classification was established long before they were born? If you don't believe that everyone already has a guaranteed eternal destiny from birth, then why must God think that they do?

**Freak** · February 25th 2003, 12:07 AM

geebob you said:

The Bible presents a picture where we have libertarian free will.

Do you choose (as an act of your free will) to like pizza (I assume you like pizza) or did you merely discover you liked pizza? Think about it.

You go on: So why do you insist that God must know something that isn't true?

Another assumption. Does God know that 2+2 does not equal 7?

Now, in regards to the salvation of people. God knows the decisions one makes (but we don't). Let's take a glance at Scripture:

Then the Spirit of the LORD came upon me, and he told me to say: "This is what the LORD says: That is what you are saying, O house of Israel, but I know what is going through your mind.

Geebob, when dealing with many issues of God's nature and such we are in the dark. Moses tells us the "Secret things belong to the Lord." Somethings remain a mystery to humanity.