Originally posted by Starlight
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There's no single international definition of the term because different legal codes define the crime differently, and people in different cultures use the world colloquially in their everyday lives outside the legal definitions to mean slightly different things.
I suggest avoiding the usage of the term "murder" in this discussion entirely. If someone wants to use it to mean "intentional killing" as I do, then I will instead say the words "intentional killing". If someone thinks it should mean "unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another" as you do, then I suggest you instead use that phrase rather than say the word "murder".
Although I would point out that your phrase, given it includes the word "unlawful" ends up making any abortion discussion a bit moot, because the law being changed or not changed controls whether or not any given abortion is "unlawful" or not, so by your definition, no legal abortion can ever be murder. By your definition, whenever any conservative on this site states that abortion is about the murder of babies/fetuses they are self-evidently wrong because it would only be "murder" if it was "unlawful".
Ox clearly holds a 3rd definition of the term "murder" which he describes as "the unjust taking of an innocent life", so similar for the context of this discussion (given the 3 of us have three different definitions of a key word we use) I suggest he drop the term "murder" and simply use his phrase "the unjust taking of an innocent life" whenever he wants to talk about that, so as to avoid us talking past each other.
No.
I suggest avoiding the usage of the term "murder" in this discussion entirely. If someone wants to use it to mean "intentional killing" as I do, then I will instead say the words "intentional killing". If someone thinks it should mean "unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another" as you do, then I suggest you instead use that phrase rather than say the word "murder".
Although I would point out that your phrase, given it includes the word "unlawful" ends up making any abortion discussion a bit moot, because the law being changed or not changed controls whether or not any given abortion is "unlawful" or not, so by your definition, no legal abortion can ever be murder. By your definition, whenever any conservative on this site states that abortion is about the murder of babies/fetuses they are self-evidently wrong because it would only be "murder" if it was "unlawful".
Ox clearly holds a 3rd definition of the term "murder" which he describes as "the unjust taking of an innocent life", so similar for the context of this discussion (given the 3 of us have three different definitions of a key word we use) I suggest he drop the term "murder" and simply use his phrase "the unjust taking of an innocent life" whenever he wants to talk about that, so as to avoid us talking past each other.
No.
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