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  • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    There's no single international definition of the term because different legal codes define the crime differently, and people in different cultures use the world colloquially in their everyday lives outside the legal definitions to mean slightly different things.

    I suggest avoiding the usage of the term "murder" in this discussion entirely. If someone wants to use it to mean "intentional killing" as I do, then I will instead say the words "intentional killing". If someone thinks it should mean "unlawful premeditated killing of one human being by another" as you do, then I suggest you instead use that phrase rather than say the word "murder".

    Although I would point out that your phrase, given it includes the word "unlawful" ends up making any abortion discussion a bit moot, because the law being changed or not changed controls whether or not any given abortion is "unlawful" or not, so by your definition, no legal abortion can ever be murder. By your definition, whenever any conservative on this site states that abortion is about the murder of babies/fetuses they are self-evidently wrong because it would only be "murder" if it was "unlawful".

    Ox clearly holds a 3rd definition of the term "murder" which he describes as "the unjust taking of an innocent life", so similar for the context of this discussion (given the 3 of us have three different definitions of a key word we use) I suggest he drop the term "murder" and simply use his phrase "the unjust taking of an innocent life" whenever he wants to talk about that, so as to avoid us talking past each other.

    No.
    For the record - I was using Webster's definition, which aligned with two other dictionaries I found.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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    • Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
      Are you sure that's the right link? Darth isn't anywhere on that page...
      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Your behavior and culture is objectively immoral.
        Says the guy who believes live born children should be allowed to be killed, so....
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by RumTumTugger View Post
          You'll have to excuse Starlight Oxmixmudd his moral compass is so broken that he thinks that it would be ok to kill a 3 month old baby.

          I'm always still in trouble again

          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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          • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
            Are you sure that's the right link? Darth isn't anywhere on that page...
            Huh? Darth Executor was the one who started the topic I linked to, and has 4 more posts on the first page of the topic as well. If you're seeing something else, I'm not sure why the link isn't working right for you.

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            • Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
              Huh? Darth Executor was the one who started the topic I linked to, and has 4 more posts on the first page of the topic as well. If you're seeing something else, I'm not sure why the link isn't working right for you.
              Your link went to the last page of the series (i.e., the one with the most recent posts), and Darth had long-since abandoned the thread. I didn't realize he had started it. Darth did have a tendency to say outrageous things to get reactions. I'm not sure how accurately it reflects his actual thoughts.
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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              • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                Your link went to the last page of the series (i.e., the one with the most recent posts), and Darth had long-since abandoned the thread. I didn't realize he had started it. Darth did have a tendency to say outrageous things to get reactions. I'm not sure how accurately it reflects his actual thoughts.
                Hrm. When I click on the link, it goes to the first page of the topic. I'm not sure why it's different for you.

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                • Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                  Hrm. When I click on the link, it goes to the first page of the topic. I'm not sure why it's different for you.
                  Maybe it's a setting? I have mine set to always put the most recent posts first, so "Page 1" for me is the most recent posts, and the highest numbered page has the OP.

                  I guess it will be different for different people.

                  Relativism in action...
                  The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                  I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                  • Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                    Hrm. When I click on the link, it goes to the first page of the topic. I'm not sure why it's different for you.

                    Do you right click on the actual post number, and then save that link?
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Originally posted by Cerebrum123 View Post
                      Give the people I've encountered in my life this wouldn't be a surprise. In fact, it would make a lot more sense of what I've seen.
                      Just read the stories about Marina Abramović and her performing art exhibit sometime.
                      "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                      GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Do you right click on the actual post number, and then save that link?
                        I think he's link to the thread link, not the post link. I think the thread link always displays "Page 1." If you're set for "oldest-newest" - the OP will be at the top. If you're set for "newest-to-oldest," the last post in the thread will be at the top. It turned out to be mine, which is what got my attention.

                        Pedantically yours...

                        Carpe
                        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                        • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Condemning your immoral ways is not "ignorance" of them.
                          Pot, still trying to tell the kettle how black it is? Keep defending your death cult.
                          "The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
                          GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy

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                          • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            Says the guy who believes live born children should be allowed to be killed, so....
                            Whatever helps you sleep at night and avoid personal responsibility for your own moral failings. Calling out an alleged twig in my eye to avoid thinking about the branch in your own is a pretty tried and true tactic.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              I think he's link to the thread link, not the post link. I think the thread link always displays "Page 1." If you're set for "oldest-newest" - the OP will be at the top. If you're set for "newest-to-oldest," the last post in the thread will be at the top. It turned out to be mine, which is what got my attention.

                              Pedantically yours...

                              Carpe
                              Yes, which is why I said...

                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              Do you right click on the actual post number, and then save that link?
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                Whatever helps you sleep at night and avoid personal responsibility for your own moral failings.
                                Oh, spare me the sanctimony.

                                Calling out an alleged twig in my eye to avoid thinking about the branch in your own is a pretty tried and true tactic.
                                "Murdering children" is a "twig" like Mount Everest is a speed bump.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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