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  • #16
    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    Yeah, no she didn't. His side glance at the beginning put her right in her place, and she never recovered, despite her feeble attempts.
    Yeah... well... that's not what the Internet is saying... so... not so much. Pelosi is rapidly emerging as the political hero of the left (and quite of few of us anti-Trump, more moderate types). I think there's a good chance she'll keep Trump busy for the rest of his term. Then the campaign will start to kick in and hopefully he'll be so busy campaigning and watching cable TV that there won't be too much more damage done.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      I think a wine glass teetering on the edge of a table is an apt analogy for Nutsy Pelosi.
      Yeah, I thought the story was very reminiscent of her skills. That's why I shared it.
      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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      • #18
        Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
        Yeah... well... that's not what the Internet is saying... so... not so much. Pelosi is rapidly emerging as the political hero of the left. I think there's a good chance she'll keep Trump busy for the rest of his term. Then the campaign will start to kick in and hopefully he'll be so busy campaigning and watching cable TV that there won't be too much more damage done.
        So you scoot on over to left-wing blogs and websites which confirm your biases ... color me surprised

        I'm always still in trouble again

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        • #19
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          So you scoot on over to left-wing blogs and websites which confirm your biases ... color me surprised
          No - I was actually on Twitter following Trump...

          But you're right, "twitter" is not the entire Internet, so my statement was a bit too broad.

          But what is trending on Twitter is pretty clear - and Twitter is certainly not limited to left or right...


          Try going there and just search on SOTU or #SOTU. You'll see what I mean.



          ETA: BTW, I was amused to note that part of Trumps speech echoed another previous president. As I recall, Nixon also called for an end to the "partisan investigations." He didn't do so with such a lame attempt at rhyming as "If there is to be peace and legislation, there cannot be war and investigation." Even the Republicans didn't know what to do with THAT one...
          Last edited by carpedm9587; 02-06-2019, 02:48 PM.
          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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          • #20
            Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
            Yeah... well... that's not what the Internet is saying... so... not so much. Pelosi is rapidly emerging as the political hero of the left (and quite of few of us anti-Trump, more moderate types). I think there's a good chance she'll keep Trump busy for the rest of his term. Then the campaign will start to kick in and hopefully he'll be so busy campaigning and watching cable TV that there won't be too much more damage done.
            Yeah, along with the kid who fell asleep. "Hero of the left" is a vanishingly low bar these days.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              Yeah, along with the kid who fell asleep. "Hero of the left" is a vanishingly low bar these days.
              Your opinion is duly noted, OBP.
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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              • #22
                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                Yeah... well... that's not what the Internet is saying... so... not so much.
                Ah... the Internet. I suppose your date is a French model too?



                Pelosi is rapidly emerging as the political hero of the left.
                And you say that like it's a good thing?

                I think there's a good chance she'll keep Trump busy for the rest of his term. Then the campaign will start to kick in and hopefully he'll be so busy campaigning and watching cable TV that there won't be too much more damage done.
                So, you admit she's an obstructionist. We'll make a centrist out of you yet, Carp
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                • #23
                  Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                  No - because she upstaged Trump with a clap of the hand - and a handful of papers.
                  "Upstaged" isn't the word I would have used. She seemed, shall we say, "distracted" during the speech. At one point everyone in the chamber was standing and applauding to show their respects to a family who's patriarchs had been recently murdered by an illegal alien, and Pelosi was caught on camera staring fixedly down at the papers in her hand while Trump and Pence were looking up at the gallery and clapping. Was she addled, or was it a deliberate show of disrespect? I suspect the former, because later in the speech following another standing ovation, Pelosi was again caught on camera staring fixedly at her papers, apparently oblivious to the fact that the rest of the room had sat down. Trump continued his speech and was several words in before Pelosi glanced up and seemed genuinely startled that she was the only one left standing and quickly took her seat.

                  So, yeah, "upstaged" in the same way that a senile aunt "upstages" her niece at her birthday party.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                    Yeah, I thought the story was very reminiscent of her skills. That's why I shared it.
                    I'm not talking about the story, I mean the image of a wine glass teetering on the edge of the table and about to fall is a good analogy for Pelosi.

                    (Although I suspect you were being deliberately obtuse.)
                    Last edited by Mountain Man; 02-06-2019, 02:57 PM.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                      Ah... the Internet. I suppose your date is a French model too?
                      No - it's just one way of reflecting trends...

                      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                      And you say that like it's a good thing?


                      Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                      So, you admit she's an obstructionist. We'll make a centrist out of you yet, Carp
                      Oh she's an obstructionist in several ways - but then politics has been about obstruction for many years now. It's kind of hard to tell who is obstructing whom these days.

                      But anyone who puts a brake on Trump's worst impulses is OK in my book, and I'm truly starting to admire this lady. I've been hoping for something that can put a check on Trump until he can be shown the door. It looks like that may have happened.
                      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        "Upstaged" isn't the word I would have used. She seemed, shall we say, "distracted" during the speech. At one point everyone in the chamber was standing and applauding to show their respects to a family who's patriarchs had been recently murdered by an illegal alien, and Pelosi was caught on camera staring fixedly down at the papers in her hand while Trump and Pence were looking up at the gallery and clapping. Was she addled, or was it a deliberate show of disrespect?
                        Not sure - didn't see the entire speech. But she did have Trump's speech in written form in her hand (apparently), so she may simply have been distracted. Somehow I doubt she intended disrespect for anyone who suffered a personal loss. On the other hand - had I been in here place, I would have been struggling with how to honor them without affirming Trump's "immigrants are violent" rhetoric, of which that was a part.

                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        I suspect the former, because later in the speech following another standing ovation, Pelosi was again caught on camera staring fixedly at her papers, apparently oblivious to the fact that the rest of the room had sat down. Trump continued his speech and was several words in before Pelosi glanced up and seemed genuinely startled that she was the only one left standing and quickly took her seat.
                        Yeah - ya gotta hate those "oopsie moments.

                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        So, yeah, "upstaged" in the same way that a senile aunt "upstages" her niece at her birthday party.
                        And yet the buzz I'm finding online is about "the clap" and second to that is the dead air that followed the "big rhyme." At least, it is on twitter.
                        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          I'm not talking about the story, I mean the image of a wine glass teetering on the edge of the table and about to fall is a good analogy for Pelosi.

                          (Although I suspect you were being deliberately obtuse.)
                          I was...
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                            ...she may simply have been distracted...
                            And obviously so. It was awkward.

                            Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                            And yet the buzz I'm finding online is about "the clap" and second to that is the dead air that followed the "big rhyme." At least, it is on twitter.
                            That's the "buzz" from left-wing sources, at any rate, who are trying to claim (rather desperately, I think) that Pelosi was a masterclass of calculated contempt throughout Trump's speech and commanded the audience's full attention from beginning to end. Yeah, not so much. The few times I consciously noticed her was when she was doing her clearly unintentional clueless old lady routine. I actually thought that after Trump, Mike Pence had the most commanding presence on the dais.

                            Pelosi, on the other hand, was just kinda... there...
                            Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                            But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                            Than a fool in the eyes of God


                            From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              And obviously so. It was awkward.

                              That's the "buzz" from left-wing sources, at any rate, who are trying to claim (rather desperately, I think) that Pelosi was a masterclass of calculated contempt throughout Trump's speech and commanded the audience's full attention from beginning to end. Yeah, not so much.
                              Oh there is no doubt that the posters are from the left, MM. I think I said that. She is becoming the hero of the left. I can't imagine too many on the right holding that view. But it's not "left wing sources." Or, at least, those are not the sources I am citing. I was specifically talking about what is trending on twitter, which is hardly a "leftist" platform. After all - it's the primary outlet for Mr. Trump.

                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              The few times I consciously noticed her was when she was doing her clearly unintentional clueless old lady routine. I actually thought that after Trump, Mike Pence had the most commanding presence on the dais.

                              Pelosi, on the other hand, was just kinda... there...
                              Yeah - your assessment doesn't exactly surprise me, MM. I'm sure it has nothing to do with your predisposition towards Mr. Trump and against Ms. Pelosi.

                              On the other hand, my opinion is most definitely colored by my dislike for Mr. Trump and my growing admiration for Ms. Pelosi. The so-called, "Clapback heard around the world" (as it is being called by even some of the news outlets), was priceless, IMO. I didn't think Mr. Trump "nailed her" with his gaze. To me, he looked flustered and unsure how to react.

                              But then again, I am pretty sure I'm not being objective.
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                                [Pelosi] is becoming the hero of the left.
                                Which goes to show how hard up they are for "heroes".
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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