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Venezuela's Rank-and-File Soldiers Have Been Deserting in Droves
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Right. President Nicolas Maduro was voted in several times by the people. The soldiers don't want to fight in opposition to their own people.
I've been listening to one guy who has noted that the people will defend themselves against the US-backed leaders, even unto death.
The US needs to re-evaluate whose side to take.
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About time we had a thread on the bumbling ongoing US coup attempt in Venezuela. Somehow many US nutters, including Trump seem to think that by declaring they recognize a person who didn't run for the Presidency as the 'true' President of Venezuela, they are doing something useful or relevant. For what it's worth, I hereby declare I recognize Nancy Pelosi to be the true US President.
I saw this excellent video today as a reporter tries to talk to US members of congress on the subject:
Out of all the people he talks to, only one congressman actually knows the situation well and gives sensible answers, and that congressman refuses to act to stop the US trying to do a coup in Venezuela, because he's on the Financial Services committee and says financial services, not foreign affairs, is his priority.
Venezuela has the world's largest proven oil reserves, and Trump's National Security adviser John Bolton went on Fox News to explain that the US getting its hands on Venezuela's oil is a major factor in this:
"We're in conversation with major American companies now...
It will make a big difference to the US economically if we could have American oil companies really invest in and produce the oil capabilities in Venezuela."
Funny how God mistakenly put so much US oil under other people's land...
Also, let me remind people that there are about 49 countries in the world ruled by dictatorships, and the US supports or endorses or has positive relationships with about 73% of those countries. The very few of them that the US tends to declare are terrible who need to be overthrown, just so happen to be those in the most oil rich nations. Funny how that always coincidentally happens. That US love of democracy and freedom is apparently very malleable and is much more a function of oil reserves than it is the well-being of the populace.Last edited by Starlight; 02-06-2019, 08:51 PM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostAlso, let me remind people that there are about 49 countries in the world ruled by dictatorships, and the US supports or endorses or has positive relationships with about 73% of those countries.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Postcitation please
List of present and past authoritarian regimes supported by the US
World map of present and past authoritarian regimes supported by the USLast edited by Starlight; 02-06-2019, 09:08 PM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostAbout time we had a thread on the bumbling ongoing US coup attempt in Venezuela. Somehow many US nutters, including Trump seem to think that by declaring they recognize a person who didn't run for the Presidency as the 'true' President of Venezuela, they are doing something useful or relevant. For what it's worth, I hereby declare I recognize Nancy Pelosi to be the true US President.
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How about we send Pelosi your way?
No. Nevermind. Maybe the US govt has installed cruel dictators for over 50 years, but I wouldn't want that to happen to your country.
I do realize that the US has acted improperly to many countries over the years. This is policy employed by Democrats and Republicans.
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Originally posted by mikewhitney View PostShe already thinks she is President.
How about we send Pelosi your way?
Maybe the US govt has installed cruel dictators for over 50 years, but I wouldn't want that to happen to your country.
I do realize that the US has acted improperly to many countries over the years. This is policy employed by Democrats and Republicans."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostAbout time we had a thread on the bumbling ongoing US coup attempt in Venezuela. Somehow many US nutters, including Trump seem to think that by declaring they recognize a person who didn't run for the Presidency as the 'true' President of Venezuela, they are doing something useful or relevant. For what it's worth, I hereby declare I recognize Nancy Pelosi to be the true US President.
Mexico has vacillated between opposition of Marudo and taking a neutral position.
Other nations calling on Marudo to leave are Australia, Israel and Morocco.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI'm quite happy with the local equivalent of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez currently leading my country, but thanks for the offer.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhy am I not surprised that Starlight is defending a totalitarian socialist dictator bent on starving his people to death?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWe are fortunate to have Starlight - he's a very good indicator of right and wrong. If he thinks something is right, we can pretty well it to the bank that it's wrong.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOrganization of American States (OAS) Permanent Council agreed "to not recognize the legitimacy of Nicolas Maduro's new term." And the Lima Group (which includes many of the same members as the OAS) just announced their opposition to Maduro:
Mexico has vacillated between opposition of Marudo and taking a neutral position.
Other nations calling on Marudo to leave are Australia, Israel and Morocco.
I was watching youtube videos by Florida Marquis who appears to have a clearer understanding of what has been going on in Venezuela.
Maduro has been acting on behalf of the country and its people. But there has been a refusal of other countries to purchase oil ... and this affected people who would have been farmers but got became oil workers. So, food supplies have been a problem. But the people are able to cross the border to purchase the food they need; this, of course, reduces the cash available in Venezuela.
Anyhow, that is the best I can remember of the details described of the Venezuela situation.
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