Man Suing Parents For Being Born

[Starlight]

And those guys were heretics! False teachers who were twisting the Gospel into a man made religion.

Whether you or I think their beliefs were right or wrong is beside the point. I am simply noting that historically some versions of Christianity have incorporated this sort of worldview.

[Mountain Man]

This whole Antinatalism movement is suicidal - for humanity...

It's effectively nihilism.

[oxmixmudd]

There were a few gnostic versions of Christianity in the 2nd century that considered matter to be inferior and birth to be a bad thing whereby pre-existent souls were captured from heaven and tied into evil matter. So it's not as if Christianity as a whole is exempt from this tendency.

Although a thought I find it amusing to toy with... what if, upon further scientific analysis of how human consciousness works, we were to discover that this sort of thing was actually true?

The gnostics were quickly classified as heretics Star. AFAIK, Gnosticism has never been accepted as legitimate Christian belief.


Jim

[oxmixmudd]

Whether you or I think their beliefs were right or wrong is beside the point. I am simply noting that historically some versions of Christianity have incorporated this sort of worldview.

They were never considered a 'version' of Christian faith. They were always considered a 'perversion' of Christian faith.

Jim

[Starlight]

The gnostics were quickly classified as heretics Star. AFAIK, Gnosticism has never been accepted as legitimate Christian belief.

I am sure the gnostics didn't consider themselves heretics and considered themselves legitimate. Saying they weren't accepted outside of their own group seems trivially true. Your statements seem to presuppose some kind of methodology for separating "legitimate" Christian groups from "heretics", but you don't say what that is, and without specifying it it just sounds like special pleading - "They totally weren't Real Christians^TM".

[oxmixmudd]

I am sure the gnostics didn't consider themselves heretics and considered themselves legitimate. Saying they weren't accepted outside of their own group seems trivially true. Your statements seem to presuppose some kind of methodology for separating "legitimate" Christian groups from "heretics", but you don't say what that is, and without specifying it it just sounds like special pleading - "They totally weren't Real Christians^TM".

Among other things, the Gnostic's view that Christ was not physically raised from the dead fails to meet the objective criteria of fundamentals set out in the early church. There are, in fact, objective criteria that have been used historically, universally to define cults and/or heresy as opposed to simple differences of interpretation under an overarching Christian belief. The physical, bodily Resurrection of Christ is one of them. The Deity of Christ is another. The unity/oneness of the Father/Son/Holy Spirit another. These latter two are generally why Mormons and JW's are not seen as Christian. this is not an exhaustive list. The basic apostles creed contains such a list. All Christian Denominations (RCC, Greek orthodox, Protestants such as Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Pentacostals such as Assemblies of God etc etc) hold to these basic tenets.

Jim

[JonathanL]

I am sure the gnostics didn't consider themselves heretics and considered themselves legitimate. Saying they weren't accepted outside of their own group seems trivially true. Your statements seem to presuppose some kind of methodology for separating "legitimate" Christian groups from "heretics", but you don't say what that is, and without specifying it it just sounds like special pleading - "They totally weren't Real Christians^TM".

Well, wholly apart from Jim's excellent points above there's also the fact that the gnostics were unable to trace any of their heretical teachings back to Jesus or the apostles.

[JonathanL]

The very fact that this man hasn't taken his own life yet is all the proof I need to conclude that his anti-natalistic beliefs only run skin-deep.

[Cow Poke]

Maybe I should sue my parents (may they rest in peace) that I was born without outdoor plumbing instead of indoor plumbing.

[seer]

Maybe I should sue my parents (may they rest in peace) that I was born without outdoor plumbing instead of indoor plumbing.

You have indoor plumbing? You must be rich!

[JonathanL]

Maybe I should sue my parents (may they rest in peace) that I was born without outdoor plumbing instead of indoor plumbing.

I'm not sure how to parse that statement? Did you mean to write "with outdoor plumbing instead of indoor plumbing."?

[One Bad Pig]

Maybe I should sue my parents (may they rest in peace) that I was born without outdoor plumbing instead of indoor plumbing.

I hear you can have special surgery to "correct" that.

[Cow Poke]

I'm not sure how to parse that statement? Did you mean to write "with outdoor plumbing instead of indoor plumbing."?

Yes. the "out" got in there twice, and one of them attached to the "with".

I hear you can have special surgery to "correct" that.

I've already become too comfortable with the whole world being my urinal.

[firstfloor]

"If humanity is extinct, Earth and animals would be happier. They'll certainly be better off. Also no human will then suffer. Human existence is totally pointless."

... yeah, except that we wouldn’t know that we had avoided our own pointlessness, which seems a bit pointless.

[Cow Poke]

... yeah, except that we wouldn’t know that we had avoided our own pointlessness, which seems a bit pointless.

Do you have a point?