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PP's Margaret Sanger -- Let's Be Careful

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  • PP's Margaret Sanger -- Let's Be Careful

    Margaret Sanger (founder of Planned Parenthood) was.... well, it's complicated.

    To begin with, I'll use quotes from NPR, so nobody can claim I'm only picking conservative sources - you can add your own cites and sources.

    She was big on eugenics, that's a fact.



    She was most definitely pro-abortion.

    Was she racist?

    In 1946, Sanger wrote about the importance of giving "Negro" parents a choice in how many children they would have.

    "The Negro race has reached a place in its history when every possible effort should be made to have every Negro child count as a valuable contribution to the future of America," she wrote. "Negro parents, like all parents, must create the next generation from strength, not from weakness; from health, not from despair."

    Her attitude toward African-Americans can certainly be viewed as paternalistic, but there is no evidence she subscribed to the more racist ideas of the time or that she coerced black women into using birth control. In fact, for her time, as the Washington Post noted, "she would likely be considered to have advanced views on race relations."


    Personally, I think NPR is being extraordinarily 'charitable' in describing her as "paternalistic", and playing down the racism.

    But some of her statements oft quoted by anti-abortion people are out of context.

    There's enough that she did for which she should be blamed without quoting her out of context, so I thought I'd start with what I think is the most abused misquote (or partial quote).

    A quote I see often attributed to her is...



    But note the comma, often left out.

    From Time:



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    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    I'm certainly no fan of Sanger primarily because of her advocacy for eugenics but she did not favor abortion, in fact her big cause was making birth control available largely so people wouldn't go out and have abortions.



    That she campaigned for birth-control as a way to prevent abortion is evidenced by the following handbill for her first clinic in English, Yiddish and Italian:


    For years Planned Parenthood was staunchly anti-abortion following in Sanger's footsteps but they did an outface in (IIRC) the 60s.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      I'm certainly no fan of Sanger primarily because of her advocacy for eugenics but she did not favor abortion, in fact her big cause was making birth control available largely so people wouldn't go out and have abortions.



      That she campaigned for birth-control as a way to prevent abortion is evidenced by the following handbill for her first clinic in English, Yiddish and Italian:

      [ATTACH=CONFIG]35046[/ATTACH]

      For years Planned Parenthood was staunchly anti-abortion following in Sanger's footsteps but they did an outface in (IIRC) the 60s.
      Interesting. As long as there are actual sources, I'm interested in learning more about this.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        I'm certainly no fan of Sanger primarily because of her advocacy for eugenics but she did not favor abortion, in fact her big cause was making birth control available largely so people wouldn't go out and have abortions.



        That she campaigned for birth-control as a way to prevent abortion is evidenced by the following handbill for her first clinic in English, Yiddish and Italian:

        [ATTACH=CONFIG]35046[/ATTACH]

        For years Planned Parenthood was staunchly anti-abortion following in Sanger's footsteps but they did an outface in (IIRC) the 60s.
        That should be "about face" not "outface"

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • #5
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          That should be "about face" not "outface"
          Interesting - and from this article from Sanger from December 1918, provided by NYU.edu... (bolding mine)

          Dr. Max Hirsch, a famous authority quotes an opinion that there are 2,000,000 abortions in the United States every year!

          "I believe" declares Dr. Hirsch, "that I may say without exaggeration that absolutely spontaneous or unprovoked abortions are extremely rare, that a vast majority--I should estimate it at 80 per cent--have a criminal origin."
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            It might be good to check out her work The Pivot of Civilization - I've heard from a couple sources that PP doesn't even stock it in their bookstore. There are multiple copies available for free download at the Internet Archive.
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            • #7
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              • #8
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                I'm certainly no fan of Sanger primarily because of her advocacy for eugenics but she did not favor abortion, in fact her big cause was making birth control available largely so people wouldn't go out and have abortions.



                That she campaigned for birth-control as a way to prevent abortion is evidenced by the following handbill for her first clinic in English, Yiddish and Italian:

                [ATTACH=CONFIG]35046[/ATTACH]

                For years Planned Parenthood was staunchly anti-abortion following in Sanger's footsteps but they did an outface in (IIRC) the 60s.
                This is interesting. So modern Planned Parenthood is nothing like the original?
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #9
                  I think, in all honesty, she was trying to say "this is NOT the story we want to get out" because she believed it wasn't true -- she didn't want somebody jumping to that conclusion - but she worded it very poorly. It does, indeed, sound like she's trying to hide intent -- until you read "the rest of the story".
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    This is interesting. So modern Planned Parenthood is nothing like the original?
                    Digging some more, it doesn't just sound like a "liberal rewrite" -- it sounds like INITIALLY PP was, in fact, not pro-abortion. But, then again, the Democrats used to be the "God and Country" party.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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