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  • #16
    Originally posted by Roy View Post
    I think it would make it harder for them to obtain firearms, and may keep some of them from obtaining firearms.
    I really think that's wishful thinking. One of the biggest problems we have, in my opinion, is that the "correctional facilities" are simply "how to be a better criminal" institutions. It's kinda like prohibition - you'll just create a more lucrative black market, and anybody can find a gun if they just know the right (or wrong) people.

    But if, as was seen yesterday, if there is no enforcement it won't do anything.
    Agreed 100%
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #17
      Outlawing drugs stopped illegal drug use!

      oh, wait.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        Outlawing drugs stopped illegal drug use!

        oh, wait.
        But, hey, that was finally won by Fast & Furious!!!


        oh, wait....
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          It's kinda like prohibition - you'll just create a more lucrative black market, and anybody can find a gun if they just know the right (or wrong) people.
          But not if they don't...?
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Roy View Post
            But not if they don't...?
            It's like drugs, Roy --- if somebody wants them, there's a way to get them. Same with booze during prohibition.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              I really think that's wishful thinking. One of the biggest problems we have, in my opinion, is that the "correctional facilities" are simply "how to be a better criminal" institutions. It's kinda like prohibition - you'll just create a more lucrative black market, and anybody can find a gun if they just know the right (or wrong) people.
              As I've noted before just about every prison displays a collection of weapons confiscated from prisoners that almost always includes an assortment of firearms (often homemade). If we can't keep guns out of the hands of people locked behind bars, who's quarters and persons are constantly searched, and who are under continuous surveillance, just what chance does anyone think that we'll be successful in keeping them out of the hands of free people?

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              Here are two found in your home state
              in the Galveston County Jail in 2014

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Roy View Post
                But not if they don't...?
                Then they just print them.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  Then they just print them.
                  Or make them the old fashioned way. The tribesmen of Afghanistan have a tradition of making their own copies of firearms, including fully automatic modern weapons, using very simple methods including the lost wax casting method.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

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                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    It's kinda like prohibition - you'll just create a more lucrative black market, and anybody can find a gun if they just know the right (or wrong) people.
                    It's kinda soothing to hear you patiently explain how my country (and Roy's) as it is now, can't possibly exist.

                    You seem to think that if only you explain your logic clearly enough, that Roy and I will come around to your point of view - and be convinced that our entire life experiences of living in our countries are false and realize that countries can't possibly be the way we've experienced them, and that it would just never work to have a country like our ones.

                    Well, I'm convinced. Clearly the rules my country has couldn't possibly work. They clearly can't have resulted in the outcomes I see in my country. Those outcomes are impossible. CP said so.
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      It's kinda soothing to hear you patiently explain how my country (and Roy's) as it is now, can't possibly exist.
                      It's kinda something to see you typing really really stupid stuff that has nothing to do with what I said.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        It's kinda soothing to hear you patiently explain how my country (and Roy's) as it is now, can't possibly exist.

                        You seem to think that if only you explain your logic clearly enough, that Roy and I will come around to your point of view - and be convinced that our entire life experiences of living in our countries are false and realize that countries can't possibly be the way we've experienced them, and that it would just never work to have a country like our ones.

                        Well, I'm convinced. Clearly the rules my country has couldn't possibly work. They clearly can't have resulted in the outcomes I see in my country. Those outcomes are impossible. CP said so.
                        Yes, because an island country without a history of extensive gun possession is totally equivalent to the United States.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          Yes, because an island country without a history of extensive gun possession is totally equivalent to the United States.
                          CPs arguments are basically never along the lines of what differences would cause policies to work in one country and not another, they are pretty much always broad-brush declarations that such and such a policy would be impossible. e.g. his "prohibition didn't work, so gun prohibition wouldn't" argument I just responded to.

                          Also, both Australia and New Zealand had a history of fair high rates of gun possession prior to government gun-regulation policies being passed in the wake of mass-murders. That in no way appears to have impacted the subsequent success of tighter gun regulations in both countries, which by all metrics seem to have been resounding successes.

                          Your comment about "island countries" leaves me scratching my head as to whether you think the massive cross-border illegal smuggling of guns from Mexico (presumably not from Canada?) would somehow become a thing if the US increased gun regulations... that seems rather unlikely. I would tend to think that to the extent that any illegal gun market were to thrive that the guns would be more likely made in Texas rather than smuggled in from Mexico. And trying to smuggle drugs in inside various other objects is one thing... trying to bring in millions of guns secretly disguised as something else is giving my imagination some rather improbable pictures of crazily shaped cargo packed with guns and would seem rather unlikely in general. There are certainly plenty of countries in the world - e.g. in Europe - that have plenty of land borders but which choose to regulate guns and do it successfully. Being an island vs not (is Australia an 'island' btw by whatever definition is relevant to you here?) would seem to have little to do with it.
                          "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                          "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                          "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                            CPs arguments are basically never along the lines of what differences would cause policies to work in one country and not another...
                            I'm talking about the USA -- I don't give a flying flip what you do in your tiny country.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              I'm talking about the USA
                              Yes, but your arguments about "if law X was passed, Y would happen" are fact-checkable because there are other countries in the world who have passed law X and not had Y happen.

                              Your foolish and willful ignorance of the rest of the world results in you making arguments about US political policy that are false and dumb.
                              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                                Yes, because an island country without a history of extensive gun possession is totally equivalent to the United States.
                                To be fair he probably listened to a Young Turks video which told him exactly what he wanted to hear.

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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