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"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostYou guys aren't debating. You're just throwing temper tantrums because I don't think exactly like you."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI'm simply discussing the reality of what the physical differences are between the zygote and the fully developed baby.
Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostImplicit in what you have said is that there is no solid, fact based argument against abortion.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post"At the moment of conception, the resulting organism is a human life" is a factual statement."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Dimbulb View PostHardly. Both the terms "human" and "life" are open to a fair amount of subjectivity and are discussed and disputed by experts in biology. So your statement, far from being any sort of objective fact, totally depends on what definitions are being used.
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI consider the rationalizations here to be entirely on the side of the anti-abortionists, whom, having randomly adopted a position that the bible doesn't teach, convince themselves that it's a really important position and that God can't be trusted to deal with the issue himself."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostOK, how the heck did a troll thread about Trump's tax returns turn into an abortion debate?"The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAmerican College of Pediatricians"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostI do love it when a non Christian attempts to tell Christians ‘what the Bible really says’
I will grant you though that most Christians on this site are woefully ignorant of what the bible says and/or of any decent knowledge of biblical scholarship. As far as discussion sites go, this is a particularly ignorant one, so my comparatively high level of knowledge about the bible and theology stands out like a sore thumb."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostThey are a fake advocacy group that uses its misleading name to pretend authority while pushing junk science to support conservative positions."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI used to be a Christian. I had views on what the bible said. I did lots of research. I wrote a book.
I will grant you though that most Christians on this site are woefully ignorant of what the bible says and/or of any decent knowledge of biblical scholarship. As far as discussion sites go, this is a particularly ignorant one, so my comparatively high level of knowledge about the bible and theology stands out like a sore thumb."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostNice well poisoning, but you seem to have failed to explain what ‘junk science’ they are using.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThis looks suspiciously like a straw man. Nobody is disputing that there is a physical difference "between the zygote and the fully developed baby". What we're disputing is that this physical difference is morally significant, but you're so vested in secular ideology on this issue that you can't see that.
False. "At the moment of conception, the resulting organism is a human life" is a factual statement.
But does that justify killing it? NO! To stop that developing human life is a sin in almost all cases, and I'll fight and argue for it to have life and become that baby it has the potential to become in all cases except where the life of the mother is threatened. ALL cases. And especially when it is a convenience issue.
So I have no clue why you can't think MM, why you can't comprehend that being against abortion does NOT hinge on defining the zygote as a human being. That is just as idiotic as saying the Bible is only the inspired word of God if the earth is less than 10,000 years old.
JimLast edited by oxmixmudd; 02-13-2019, 09:39 PM.My brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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