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  • #76
    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Humans are social animals Seer. The thoughts, feelings, opinions and actions of others around us do deeply affect us all on both subconscious and conscious levels. In fact, the kind of complete mental isolation you describe from the views and opinions of others around a person, would itself be very close to being, or be, a mental disorder.
    Oh stop Star. I doubt if you care less what most people think about you... I personally know a lot of people who don't like my religious faith, or me because of it. I even lost a couple of friends behind it. That is their problem not mine. And I was not talking about complete mental isolation, but what you are describing with the trans in Sweden really is Dependent Personality Disorder. You commit suicide because some people don't agree with your lifestyle? That really is unstable.
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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    • #77
      Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
      Your position on homosexuality is rooted in your experience with a roommate who didn't like your talking habits? Really? This is the evidence you provide?
      Can you comprehend what you read? Evidence points to no.
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      • #78
        From your link:

        Most studies of minority stress are correlational.[3] While these studies have the advantage of using large, national datasets to establish links between minority status, stressors, and health, they cannot demonstrate causality. That is, most of the existing research cannot prove that prejudice causes stress, which causes poor health outcomes among minority individuals, because correlation does not imply causation. One way to remedy this limitation is to employ experimental and longitudinal research designs to test the impact of social stressors on health. Indeed, several recent studies have begun to use these more stringent tests of minority stress.[78][79] Additional studies are needed to confidently state that prejudice causes poor health for minority individuals.
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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        • #79
          Originally posted by seer View Post
          Well nursing and clerical work are good jobs for women in the military. Leave the fighting to the men.
          Nursing is a good job for some women AND men. Fighting is a good job for some women AND men.

          Originally posted by seer View Post
          Why would I want to shower with someone who is sexually attracted to me? I guess you would have no problem with men and women showering together.
          Actually, I wouldn't. Sex and gender are not major issues for me. I'm as capable of showing with a woman and respecting their privacy as I am with a man. It makes not one iota of difference to me.

          Originally posted by seer View Post
          It is simple, your mindset, and the mindset of the left, have all the hallmarks of totalitarianism. First, destroy the family, empower every kind of deviant behavior, destroy gender distinctions and gender roles. Make people more and more dependent on a central, controlling government. Create a hirearcy of grievance groups (intersectionality). Most of all undermine religion, so the collective can assume the role of God. At present we are in early days, but this cultural revolution will end in carnage.
          Wow - you have LDS bad, Seer.

          And your predictions of doom and gloom are not shared. Indeed, I am far more concerned about the tendency to authoritarian regimes from the right than I am from the left. After all, a belief system that honors and pledge allegiance to a "supreme being" is about as authoritarian driven as you can get - wouldn't you say?

          I tend to "each thing in it's place. In the world of economics, some problems are best solved by capitalism and some by a socialistic approach. In the world of politics, I actually like the form of representative government we enjoy. I think it could use a few tweaks, and it is messy as all heck. But it tends to be better than the alternatives.
          Last edited by carpedm9587; 02-21-2019, 07:44 PM.
          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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          • #80
            Originally posted by seer View Post
            That is just stupid, if they can't deal with some people, a minority no less, not agreeing with their lifestyle then they are going to have a miserable life. They really are mentally unbalanced if they need that degree of acceptance to be happy, sounds like Dependent Personality Disorder.
            And yet when Christians are vilified...I seem to hear a lot of "we're persecuted" complaints. Consistency, maybe?

            No person or group enjoys persecution - especially when it is broad-based and a regular part of every day. It will inevitably lead to stress.
            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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            • #81
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              Can you comprehend what you read?
              Yes, though I can (and sometimes do) misunderstand.

              But I noted that most of the rest of what I provided for information was not acknowledged or responded to. I find myself wondering why.
              Last edited by carpedm9587; 02-21-2019, 07:50 PM.
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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              • #82
                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                Nursing is a good job for some women AND men. Fighting is a good job for some women AND men.
                Nope, women need to stay home safe and warm while men fight to protect them.


                I'm as capable of showing with a woman and respecting their privacy as I am with a man...
                You are a guy, right?

                I am far more concerned about the tendency to authoritarian regimes from the right than I am from the left...
                And your brain washing is complete...
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  Nope, women need to stay home safe and warm while men fight to protect them.
                  Your somewhat dated and misanthropic views are duly noted.

                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  You are a guy, right?
                  Hang on - let me check.

                  Yep... still a guy!

                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  And your brain washing is complete...
                  Well, there's an accusation I cannot respond to. If I'm not brainwashed, I'll deny I'm brainwashed. If I am brainwashed, I'll deny I'm brainwashed. I guess your saying so makes it a reality.

                  Really, Seer - do you find those kinds of posts at all useful? Maybe, just maybe, I've looked at a variety of issues and just disagree with you?

                  Or maybe, just maybe, you're the one who has been brainwashed? After all, if you are - you wouldn't know it, right?
                  Last edited by carpedm9587; 02-21-2019, 07:54 PM.
                  The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                  I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                    And yet when Christians are vilified...I seem to hear a lot of "we're persecuted" complaints. Consistency, maybe?
                    I don't like it when the state comes down on a Christian baker for instance, but I generally don't give a rip if some one doesn't like me. Why would any rational person let his happiness be controlled by others.

                    No person or group enjoys persecution - especially when it is broad-based and a regular part of every day. It will inevitably lead to stress.
                    It depends on what you mean by persecution. The trans in Sweden are not being persecuted, yet they still kill themselves at much higher rates than straights.
                    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by seer View Post
                      I don't like it when the state comes down on a Christian baker for instance, but I generally don't give a rip if some one doesn't like me. Why would any rational person let his happiness be controlled by others.
                      In general, most of us don't. But I cannot pretend that if 20-80% of the population of the country thought I was a degenerate scum that it wouldn't affect me. And when you are dealing with young people who have not yet reached adult maturity - the expectation that they can shrug off such widespread hatred is unreasonable. It is essentially why rates of suicide among gay and trans teens in unaccepting/hostile homes is one of the highest suicide rates of any group. It's sad that so many are so badly abused.

                      Originally posted by seer View Post
                      It depends on what you mean by persecution. The trans in Sweden are not being persecuted, yet they still kill themselves at much higher rates than straights.
                      See Star's post. He's responded to this already.
                      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                        Yes, though I can (and sometimes do) misunderstand.

                        But I noted that most of the rest of what I provided for information was not acknowledged or responded to. I find myself wondering why.
                        You glommed onto my example, and ignored that I've worked with a number of homosexuals and transgender people (work - that would not include my example from college). When you so blatantly misrepresent what I've said, there's little point in engaging what you've said about others. I don't trust you not to cherry-pick whatever stats most help your case, and present them as broadly normative. Wonder no more.
                        Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                        • #87
                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          You glommed onto my example, and ignored that I've worked with a number of homosexuals and transgender people (work - that would not include my example from college).
                          You are correct that I did not respond to the fact that you've "worked with a number of homosexual and trans gender people." So have I. Indeed, I have both homosexual and transgender close friends. I didn't respond to it because I didn't find it substantively different from your college roommate. A handful of experiences with a handful of gay and transgender people does not give you the measure of an entire segment of the population. It's too small a data set. Nor does my experience provide evidence that "gay and trans people are perfectly well mentally balanced." All our experiences do is tell us that both types of people exist in the population of gay and trans people - as they do in the population of people in general.

                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          When you so blatantly misrepresent what I've said, there's little point in engaging what you've said about others.
                          Hopefully my comment above explains why I do not see this as a misrepresentation, and why I responded as I did. I probably could have been clearer by expanding the statement to say "Your position on homosexuality is rooted in your experience with a roommate who didn't like your talking habits and a handful of personal experiences at work? Really? This is the evidence you provide?"

                          Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                          I don't trust you not to cherry-pick whatever stats most help your case, and present them as broadly normative. Wonder no more.
                          When I provide stats, I try to source them so folks can assess them for themselves, to determine if they are representative and from a reasonably credible source. If you choose to ignore that, you are entirely free to do so. But then I have to wonder why you bother responding to me at all.

                          Indeed, OBP, your posts seems regularly filled with more observations about my person than they are with actual points about the arguments being made. I have taken to cutting out personal attacks and not bothering to respond to them. I do more of that with your posts than almost anyone else. If conversing with me is so onerous, perhaps you should consider not doing it? Why would anyone continue to do something they find unpleasant?
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            I think that it is telling that in probably the most egalitarian nation on earth the suicide rate quite a bit higher than for straights. So it is not just negative cultural push back as you suggested.


                            For as long as there is stigmatization of such people, as espoused by the likes of you (and there is a lot), then “negative cultural push back” will remain.
                            Last edited by Tassman; 02-21-2019, 11:10 PM.
                            “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                              Your somewhat dated and misanthropic views are duly noted.

                              Hang on - let me check.

                              Yep... still a guy!
                              Well if a bad guy breaks into your house one night, send your wife out to confront him. I'm sure she would appreciate your egalitarian chivalry. But let me ask you Carp, do you open the door for your wife? Who shovels the snow - her or you?


                              Well, there's an accusation I cannot respond to. If I'm not brainwashed, I'll deny I'm brainwashed. If I am brainwashed, I'll deny I'm brainwashed. I guess your saying so makes it a reality.

                              Really, Seer - do you find those kinds of posts at all useful? Maybe, just maybe, I've looked at a variety of issues and just disagree with you?

                              Or maybe, just maybe, you're the one who has been brainwashed? After all, if you are - you wouldn't know it, right?
                              No Carp, I just think it is obvious that your egalitarian, identity politics are much darker than you realize. You are running head long into Animal Farm yet you think that you are inaugurating a Brave New World. It will end badly...
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                                In general, most of us don't. But I cannot pretend that if 20-80% of the population of the country thought I was a degenerate scum that it wouldn't affect me. And when you are dealing with young people who have not yet reached adult maturity - the expectation that they can shrug off such widespread hatred is unreasonable. It is essentially why rates of suicide among gay and trans teens in unaccepting/hostile homes is one of the highest suicide rates of any group. It's sad that so many are so badly abused.
                                We are speaking of Sweden Carp, where one in four or five, have a negative view of tans, but they are not calling then scum. I mean if you commit suicide in Sweden because of this mild push back, you really do have other mental problems. I think we both learned, very young, that a lot of people just aren't going to like or accept you - for what ever reason. You deal with it and have your own circle of friends and support. And I'm certainly not going to change my views because I might hurt someone's feelings. Not that I would go out of my way to do so. Like I said we have a trans woman in my small shop, she wants to be called by a male name - I do, out of simple courtesy.


                                See Star's post. He's responded to this already.
                                Yes and I think I already responded.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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