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  • Did Ilhan Omar commit immigration fraud?

    Apparently, there is speculation that bears investigation that Omar may have married her brother in an attempt to get him a green card...while also allegedly being married to another man.


    According to Steinberg:
    Immediately after being elected to her current seat in 2016, Omar faced allegations — soon backed by a remarkable amount of evidence — that she had married her own brother in 2009, and was still legally his wife. They officially divorced in December 2017.
    The motivation for the marriage remains unclear. However, the totality of the evidence points to possible immigration fraud and student loan fraud.
    Rep. Omar has stated that she did marry “British citizen” Ahmed Nur Said Elmi in 2009, though the allegation that he is her brother is “absurd and offensive.”
    …exclusive new evidence — from official archived high school records and corroborating sources — strongly supports the claim that Ahmed Nur Said Elmi is indeed her brother.


    http://theminnesotasun.com/2018/10/2...gration-fraud/
    "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

    "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

  • #2


    You know that a brother of a US citizen would be qualified for citizenship, just as a spouse would be, right? Her brother would have no need to marry her if the goal was US citizenship.

    So the alleged 'logic' behind this insane conspiracy theory doesn't even make any sense.

    Try sticking to Pizzagate if you want fake news. At least that involved pizzas, which are yummy.
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    • #3
      Go home, media tourist, you're drunk. Derivative citizenship only applies to one's spouse and children, not to one's siblings.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post


        You know that a brother of a US citizen would be qualified for citizenship, just as a spouse would be, right? Her brother would have no need to marry her if the goal was US citizenship.

        So the alleged 'logic' behind this insane conspiracy theory doesn't even make any sense.

        Try sticking to Pizzagate if you want fake news. At least that involved pizzas, which are yummy.

        Bringing Siblings to Live in the United States as Permanent Residents


        To petition to bring your sibling (brother or sister) to live in the United States as a green card holder, you must be a U.S. citizen and at least 21 years of age. Permanent residents may not petition to bring siblings to live permanently in the United States.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #5
          Citizens of the United States have been given the privilege to sponsor their spouses, children, parents, and their siblings for Green Cards. To promote family unity, the Immigration and Nationality Act, permits the US citizens to get their family members, US Green Cards and bring them to the United States. While the spouses, parents and children of US citizens belong to the immediate relatives category, siblings of US citizens belong to the family preference category.

          Immediate relatives will not be put on a waiting list and immigrant visa numbers would immediately be made available to them. On the other hand, siblings who belong to the family preference category need to wait for a certain number of years to get their immigrant visas. Immigrant visas will not be made available to them immediately but they will be put on a waiting list.

          https://www.us-immigration.com/blog/...-a-green-card/
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post


            You know that a brother of a US citizen would be qualified for citizenship, just as a spouse would be, right? Her brother would have no need to marry her if the goal was US citizenship.

            So the alleged 'logic' behind this insane conspiracy theory doesn't even make any sense.

            Try sticking to Pizzagate if you want fake news. At least that involved pizzas, which are yummy.
            I don't believe that is the case at all Starlight. It would depend on how she got her citizenship. Siblings don't automagically get citizenship. Actually, neither do spouses currently. They can't even get green cards automatically any more. Look at QuantaFilla and Rational Gaze. They got married and RG had to wait over a year fighting the whole time to get just a green card. Not sure about back in 2009.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              I don't believe that is the case at all Starlight. It would depend on how she got her citizenship. Siblings don't automagically get citizenship. Actually, neither do spouses currently. They can't even get green cards automatically any more. Look at QuantaFilla and Rational Gaze. They got married and RG had to wait over a year fighting the whole time to get just a green card. Not sure about back in 2009.
              Just hold on a few more minutes --- Starlight will appear and admit he was wrong, and thank us for correcting him. Shortly thereafter, the sun will set in the East.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                Okay, thanks for the minor corrections. Main point still remains: Her brother would have been eligible to apply for a green card due to being her brother. The idea that she would be motivated to fake-marry him to get a green card for him thus doesn't get off the ground in terms of a motive.

                Also, let's not let the part where this is a nutso completely bonkers right-wing fake news conspiracy not go unnoted.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Okay, thanks for the minor corrections. Main point still remains: Her brother would have been eligible to apply for a green card due to being her brother.
                  To apply, yes.

                  The idea that she would be motivated to fake-marry him to get a green card for him thus doesn't get off the ground in terms of a motive.

                  Also, let's not let the part where this is a nutso completely bonkers right-wing fake news conspiracy not go unnoted.
                  If you marry somebody who is a US citizen, you can apply, not just for a green card, but for permanent legal status.

                  Here, go back and read up some more -- you're almost there --- https://www.uscis.gov/family/family-...nent-residents
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                    minor corrections
                    They weren't "minor corrections", you were flat out wrong.

                    Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                    Main point still remains: Her brother would have been eligible to apply for a green card due to being her brother.
                    Your main point does not apply because unlike a spouse or child of a citizen, a sibling does not get moved to the front of the line and could wait for years to gain legal entry. Omar apparently tried to shortcut the process by marrying her brother.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      Okay, thanks for the minor corrections. Main point still remains: Her brother would have been eligible to apply for a green card due to being her brother. The idea that she would be motivated to fake-marry him to get a green card for him thus doesn't get off the ground in terms of a motive.

                      Also, let's not let the part where this is a nutso completely bonkers right-wing fake news conspiracy not go unnoted.
                      The Minnesota Sun is a reputable newspaper, in a state that is one of the most consistently Blue states in the union. This was not a blog or a right wing news source. Sorry but your nutso right-wing fake news charge has not standing on this one.
                      "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

                      "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
                        The Minnesota Sun is a reputable newspaper, in a state that is one of the most consistently Blue states in the union. This was not a blog or a right wing news source. Sorry but your nutso right-wing fake news charge has not standing on this one.
                        I have no knowledge of the newspaper in question one way or the other, but your claims about Minnesota don't make sense. First, even if Minnesota was as liberal as you claim, liberal states do have conservative newspapers. But furthermore, Minnesota isn't even close to "one of the most consistently Blue states in the union." Does it lean liberal? Sure. But Hillary only won it by 1.5% in 2016 (actually, of the states she won, Minnesota was the state she got the lowest percentage of the vote in), and Republicans actually have a majority in their State Senate. That's a far cry from being "one of the most consistently Blue states in the union."

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                          I have no knowledge of the newspaper in question one way or the other, but your claims about Minnesota don't make sense. First, even if Minnesota was as liberal as you claim, liberal states do have conservative newspapers. But furthermore, Minnesota isn't even close to "one of the most consistently Blue states in the union." Does it lean liberal? Sure. But Hillary only won it by 1.5% in 2016 (actually, of the states she won, Minnesota was the state she got the lowest percentage of the vote in), and Republicans actually have a majority in their State Senate. That's a far cry from being "one of the most consistently Blue states in the union."
                          I was initially going by US elections, not state but, the facts are that Minnesota has voted Democratic in every presidential election since 1976. That’s 11 straight. That’s the longest blue streak in the country. Not to mention it's gone Democratic in 14 of the last 15 presidential elections. In 1944, the Democrats merged with the Farm-Labor party forming the DFL. Since then, US Senate DFL nominees have won the election to office 17 times to 8 for Republicans, not total domination, but it's pretty darn dominate. IN the US House races, it's took longer to establish some dominance but, the last time the Republicans won a majority of Minnesota's eight U.S. House seats was the 1968 election (when it was 5 Republicans to 3 DFLers). However, since that election, the most common outcome has been a 5-3 DFL majority win. And, although there have been several 4-4 ties and a couple of 6-2 DFL wins. The 5 Dem to 3 Rep split this year was a bit weird because four of the eight seats changed parties, but since the four changes included two Republican pickups and two DFL pickups, Minnesota ended up with a 5-3 DFL majority in the U.S. House.

                          When it comes to the Governors race, DFL party has also dominated the Gubernatorial races since 1954 winning 11 of the 16 races...again, consistently dominate in the Dem party.

                          When it comest to State offices, DFL controlled 21 out of the last 24 of the Minnesota state Senate sessions so, it has been even stronger previously, although (as you note) two of the three Republican-controlled-Senate sessions have been recent, including the past two sessions. So, after a long period of DFL domination of the Legislature, the last decade has been closer to parity. But that’s not nearly so true of the statewide offices, (meaning other than the governorship). Several of the other statewide offices have been truly dominated for decades by the DFL. For instance, before Keith Ellison (DFL) won the office of Minnesota attorney general this last election, the DFL had held that office for 60 of the last 64 years. No, that's not a typo....and, Before Steve Simon (DFL) was re-elected as Minnesota Secretary of state, the DFL had held that office for 36 of the last 44 years.

                          That looks pretty consistently blue to me...
                          Last edited by Littlejoe; 02-20-2019, 09:53 PM.
                          "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

                          "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
                            I have no knowledge of the newspaper in question one way or the other, but your claims about Minnesota don't make sense. First, even if Minnesota was as liberal as you claim, liberal states do have conservative newspapers. But furthermore, Minnesota isn't even close to "one of the most consistently Blue states in the union." Does it lean liberal? Sure. But Hillary only won it by 1.5% in 2016 (actually, of the states she won, Minnesota was the state she got the lowest percentage of the vote in), and Republicans actually have a majority in their State Senate. That's a far cry from being "one of the most consistently Blue states in the union."
                            Minnesota, like Wisconsin and Michigan were one of the states that Hillary contemptuously ignored presuming they were hers by right and that snubbing led to the other states voting for Trump and the closeness of the race in Minnesota.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

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                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
                              I was initially going by US elections, not state but, the facts are that Minnesota has voted Democratic in every presidential election since 1976. That’s 11 straight. That’s the longest blue streak in the country. Not to mention it's gone Democratic in 14 of the last 15 presidential elections. In 1944, the Democrats merged with the Farm-Labor party forming the DFL. Since then, US Senate DFL nominees have won the election to office 17 times to 8 for Republicans, not total domination, but it's pretty darn dominate. IN the US House races, it's took longer to establish some dominance but, the last time the Republicans won a majority of Minnesota's eight U.S. House seats was the 1968 election (when it was 5 Republicans to 3 DFLers). However, since that election, the most common outcome has been a 5-3 DFL majority win. And, although there have been several 4-4 ties and a couple of 6-2 DFL wins. The 5 Dem to 3 Rep split this year was a bit weird because four of the eight seats changed parties, but since the four changes included two Republican pickups and two DFL pickups, Minnesota ended up with a 5-3 DFL majority in the U.S. House.

                              When it comes to the Governors race, DFL party has also dominated the Gubernatorial races since 1954 winning 11 of the 16 races...again, consistently dominate in the Dem party.

                              When it comest to State offices, DFL controlled 21 out of the last 24 of the Minnesota state Senate sessions so, it has been even stronger previously, although (as you note) two of the three Republican-controlled-Senate sessions have been recent, including the past two sessions. So, after a long period of DFL domination of the Legislature, the last decade has been closer to parity. But that’s not nearly so true of the statewide offices, (meaning other than the governorship). Several of the other statewide offices have been truly dominated for decades by the DFL. For instance, before Keith Ellison (DFL) won the office of Minnesota attorney general this last election, the DFL had held that office for 60 of the last 64 years. No, that's not a typo....and, Before Steve Simon (DFL) was re-elected as Minnesota Secretary of state, the DFL had held that office for 36 of the last 44 years.

                              That looks pretty consistently blue to me...
                              In the 5 of 16 times that Democrats didn't win the governorship they lost to a Reform Party candidate, twice to Independent-Republican candidates and actually only twice to members of the Republican party. So the G.O.P. actually held the governorship only 2 times during that period.

                              Also the last three Republican Senators only served one term so their election can be seen as generally more of a dissatisfaction with the incumbent DFL candidates than any turn toward the right. And in elections since the Democrat-Farm Labor merger in 1944 there have been only five not eight Republican Senators (Thye, Durenberger, Boschwitz, Grams and Coleman) along with one from the Independence Party (formerly the Reform Party).

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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