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  • #61
    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
    I trust The Guardian and Fact Checker database and my own ears far more than the questionable extreme Right sources with which you regularly regale us.
    I'm still marveling at your sentence structure. I'm jealous.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #62
      Originally posted by Tassman View Post
      One is enough.
      sure, it could be. But Starlight said:

      Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      Cohen: "Trump committed dozens of crimes"

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      • #63
        Originally posted by Tassman View Post
        One is enough.
        Back in the Clinton days, Republicans thought perjury on one question related to his private life (which it should have been illegal to ask in the first place IMO, due to basic constitutional rights to privacy) not related to any sort of issue or substance or policy, was sufficient for impeachment.

        Now, that the list of crimes for Trump is running to...
        - Perjury
        - Insurance Fraud
        - Tax Evasion
        - Campaign Finance Violations
        - Charity Fraud
        - Obstruction of Justice
        - unspecified others still being investigated

        ...and I'm probably forgetting several from the above list because Trump's crimes seem so numerous that forgetting his crimes is a thing that happens. And we've seen Trump's campaign chairman, and his personal lawyer/fixer/RNC Finance Chairman Michael Cohen going to prison for many and various crimes, several committed in conjunction with and at the instruction of "Individual One"...

        Somehow the Republican response has become that those are not enough crimes, or not serious enough crimes, or somesuch, and that you'd have to be crazy to impeach with that kind of list. Somehow I suspect that if Obama had had that list, the Republicans would have tried to impeach him more times by now than they voted against Obamacare (54 times).
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #64
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Back in the Clinton days, Republicans thought perjury on one question related to his private life (which it should have been illegal to ask in the first place IMO, due to basic constitutional rights to privacy) not related to any sort of issue or substance or policy, was sufficient for impeachment.

          Now, that the list of crimes for Trump is running to...
          - Perjury
          - Insurance Fraud
          - Tax Evasion
          - Campaign Finance Violations
          - Charity Fraud
          - Obstruction of Justice
          - unspecified others still being investigated

          ...and I'm probably forgetting several from the above list because Trump's crimes seem so numerous that forgetting his crimes is a thing that happens. And we've seen Trump's campaign chairman, and his personal lawyer/fixer/RNC Finance Chairman Michael Cohen going to prison for many and various crimes, several committed in conjunction with and at the instruction of "Individual One"...

          Somehow the Republican response has become that those are not enough crimes, or not serious enough crimes, or somesuch, and that you'd have to be crazy to impeach with that kind of list. Somehow I suspect that if Obama had had that list, the Republicans would have tried to impeach him more times by now than they voted against Obamacare (54 times).
          TDS.

          I was asking for crimes that could be supported by actual evidence, not hearsay and rumors and stories by a convicted liar.

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          • #65
            This is a hoot...

            Yet Mr. Cohen testified that he had no evidence of collusion between Donald Trump and Russia and was never explicitly ordered by Mr. Trump to lie to Congress. Mr. Cohen had inferred, however, that Mr. Trump wanted him to lie. Mr. Cohen’s lies under oath are one of the reasons he is headed to a federal prison.


            Why did I lie? Not because I'm a liar, but because I thought my boss WANTED me to!
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #66
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post

              I was asking for crimes that could be supported by actual evidence, not hearsay and rumors and stories by a convicted liar.
              Cohen supported his accusations with documentary evidence. And, all indications are that the Committee valued his evidence to the extent that at least another day of Hearings is scheduled.
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • #67
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                Back in the Clinton days, Republicans thought perjury on one question related to his private life (which it should have been illegal to ask in the first place IMO, due to basic constitutional rights to privacy) not related to any sort of issue or substance or policy, was sufficient for impeachment.
                "Basic constitutional rights to privacy" do not prevent someone from asking you a question, as far as I am aware, outside of the fairly narrow No Religious Tests Clause. There are laws that can do things like restrict the questions an attorney can ask a witness during a trial, but that's not a constitutional right.

                Exactly what constitutional right--or even law--do you think was broken when Bill Clinton was asked if he had sexual relationships with Monica Lewinsky?
                Last edited by Terraceth; 03-02-2019, 12:02 AM.

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                • #68
                  Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                  Cohen supported his accusations with documentary evidence. And, all indications are that the Committee valued his evidence to the extent that at least another day of Hearings is scheduled.
                  Even liberal pundits are admitting he provided little to no substantiation for his claims. The left in general is very disappointed with his testimony especially after they had built it up so much for the previous weeks.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #69
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Even liberal pundits are admitting he provided little to no substantiation for his claims. The left in general is very disappointed with his testimony especially after they had built it up so much for the previous weeks.
                    Clearly you and I have different sources. E.g.: “Extraordinary testimony from Michael Cohen, 'damning series of allegations' against Trump…”

                    https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/ex...-1449329219620
                    “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                    • #70
                      "Damning allegations" are a dime a dozen ... too bad there's no damning evidence.

                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                        Clearly you and I have different sources. E.g.: “Extraordinary testimony from Michael Cohen, 'damning series of allegations' against Trump…”

                        https://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/watch/ex...-1449329219620
                        There were "damning allegations" that Hillary had Vince Foster murdered.

                        There were "damning allegations" that Hillary had Seth Rich murdered.

                        There were even "damning allegations" that Hillary had celebrity chef Anthony Bourdain murdered.

                        I guess for you that's enough to convict her of being a serial killer.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #72

                          Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                          Cohen Prisoner #31983 supported his accusations with documentary evidence.


                          fify

                          You are such a pant load!
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            There were "damning allegations" that Hillary had Vince Foster murdered.

                            There were "damning allegations" that Hillary had Seth Rich murdered.

                            There were even "damning allegations" that Hillary had celebrity chef Anthony Bourdain murdered.

                            I guess for you that's enough to convict her of being a serial killer.
                            That's why so many ham sandwiches are in prison today!
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              That's why so many ham sandwiches are in prison today!
                              Did you notice that I was talking about how "even liberal pundits are admitting he provided little to no substantiation for his claims" while Tass switched it back to just the claims -- which he didn't offer any corroboration for?

                              It's not a good sleight of hand when even someone from the back row can spot it.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                Did you notice that I was talking about how "even liberal pundits are admitting he provided little to no substantiation for his claims" while Tass switched it back to just the claims -- which he didn't offer any corroboration for?

                                It's not a good sleight of hand when even someone from the back row can spot it.
                                Tass has impressive grammar and spelling but his arguments are.... well, it's kinda like dressing a pig in an expensive 3-piece suit.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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