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Methodists Double Down on Gay Marriage Opposition, Anti-LGBT Clergy

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
    Is the requirement to denounce same-sex marriage a requirement to denounce it on civic grounds or just in their own religion? (i.e. a refusal to perform same-sex marriages, but not necessarily an opposition to it being government policy)
    From CP's link,
    Originally posted by Bishop Scott Jones of the Texas Conference
    “We will continue to welcome lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered and queer persons to our churches and affirm their sacred worth."
    would seem to about cover it.

    Waiting to see what CP uncovers in the (probable) screeds of text.
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    • #17
      Still researching this, but apparently the "Traditional Plan" includes a mechanism whereby Methodist Churches who wish to continue (or begin) honoring same sex marriage could "gracefully exit" the denomination with their buildings and properties.

      A friend of mine in the local Methodist Church says "these churches exiting the denomination could save a lot of money on their signage by just reversing a couple letters --- instead of the United Methodist Church, they could advertise Untied Methodist Church".
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by seer View Post
        I was a Methodist in the 90s, these issues are why I left.
        Many, many years ago, my grandfather's funeral was held at a Methodist church, and the pastor preached one of the most theologically hollow sermons I've ever heard (and I've heard my share of Baptist preachers). It turned me off to the Methodist denomination in general, so I'm a little surprised to see them take a conservative stance on homosexuality.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Many, many years ago, my grandfather's funeral was held at a Methodist church, and the pastor preached one of the most theologically hollow sermons I've ever heard (and I've heard my share of Baptist preachers). It turned me off to the Methodist denomination in general, so I'm a little surprised to see them take a conservative stance on homosexuality.
          Yeah, I had to attend a funeral where a Methodist Pastor talked about how the deceased is now in Heaven as one of God's Angels, directing traffic in the streets because he was a "good person" here on earth. I wanted to yell at her, but I behaved.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            Many, many years ago, my grandfather's funeral was held at a Methodist church, and the pastor preached one of the most theologically hollow sermons I've ever heard (and I've heard my share of Baptist preachers). It turned me off to the Methodist denomination in general, so I'm a little surprised to see them take a conservative stance on homosexuality.
            As far as I can tell, it's because of the significant African wing of the denomination is much, much more conservative in general.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              As far as I can tell, it's because of the significant African wing of the denomination is much, much more conservative in general.
              That certainly has a lot to do with it, and the numbers are not exactly overwhelmingly in favor of traditional marriage, so a few more years might finish it. Unless, of course, some of the more liberal churches take advantage of the "let them go" grace that is offered to them, and leave the denomination.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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