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    Methodists Double Down on Gay Marriage Opposition, Anti-LGBT Clergy

    Methodists Double Down on Gay Marriage Opposition, Anti-LGBT Clergy

    A vote by members of the United Methodist church on Tuesday ruled that clergy may be removed from their positions if they do not openly denounce gay marriage and affirm their stance against LGBT clergy by 2021.

    Church leaders say the move will almost surely lead more liberal members to leave the mainline denomination, CNN reported.

    This vote for the church’s “Traditional” plan came after the church initially voted to reject an earlier proposal, known as the “One Church” plan, which would have allowed local churches to perform same-sex weddings and hire openly LGBT clergy. The first proposal was a move by the church to attempt to retain members amid widespread disagreements within its ranks about scripture and the morality of same-sex relationships.

    “Many of us have members who are saying they will leave,” a member of the church’s legislative committee, Rev. Tom Berlin of Virginia, said at the General Conference vote, according to CNN. “A virus of conflict will spread.”

    But the United Methodists voted to push forward the “Traditional” plan, which passed 438 to 384.

    “Today, more than 800 worldwide General Conference delegates affirmed the Traditional Plan as The Way Forward for The United Methodist Church,” Bishop Scott Jones said in a statement. “This decision resolves a long-standing debate about how we can best accomplish our mission of making disciples of Jesus Christ for the transformation of the world.

    “Our views on same-sex marriage have not changed,” the statement continued. “We will continue to welcome lesbian, gay, bisexual, transgendered and queer persons to our churches and affirm their sacred worth.”
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    Swimming against the tide, the Methodist church is to be commended for adhering to Biblical principles, yet with love for all people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lee_merrill View Post
    Swimming against the tide, the Methodist church is to be commended for adhering to Biblical principles, yet with love for all people.

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    I'm curious to see tomorrow, when I meet with some of our local church leaders, how this plays in our community. One of our bigger Methodist churches has a gay staff member, and has embraced same sex marriage. Their female pastor today mentioned that she is required by their Bishop to print the Bishop's policy in their bulletin, and she has to announce it from the pulpit on Sunday, though she is not in agreement with it, personally.
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    I was a Methodist in the 90s, these issues are why I left.
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    Quote Originally Posted by seer View Post
    I was a Methodist in the 90s, these issues are why I left.
    Same.


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    My dad left the Methodist church in the '70s (he was raised Presbyterian, but that's where he was going when I was born). My dad wanted to hear commentary on scripture, not the newspaper. I have vague memories of attending as a preschooler.

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    So will this end up with a split like in the Presbyterian church?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    So will this end up with a split like in the Presbyterian church?
    Just from the comments I'm hearing from members of our local UMC (and rumblings from their female pastor), I'm thinking probably yes.

    The vote was pretty close -- 438 to 384 -- if there's not a split, I'd imagine it's only a few more years before the majority switches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparko View Post
    So will this end up with a split like in the Presbyterian church?
    A similar thing happened with the Lutherans, which is why our Church shared our building with a new Lutheran congregation in town, that had split off a bigger local Lutheran Church where things just got too liberal.

    That Church - the new Lutheran congregation - now has their own building and they are growing.
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    This surprised me because I was hearing they were heavily in favor of those two issues. But considering how close the vote was, that wasn't too far off the mark.

    I'm guessing they gave until 2021 to declare one's stance to give a grace period? Do Methodist clergy have to give periodic written affirmation to the doctrines they are to teach? Our clergy do so every year, and we have a common history with the Methodists.
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