JOHN WAYNE?!?!?!?! OK, This Has Gone Too Far!!!

[guacamole]

Anyone feel like posting the transcript of the interview so we don't have to click over to whatever website is linked in the editorial?

[mossrose]

There's plenty of sexual sin there, if you care to look. The FBI had recordings of sexual encounters between King and various women. I haven't read anything genuinely prejudicial in his commentary.

I know about the sexual sin. But I bet there's more if people really get into it.

[Mountain Man]

Chronological Bigotry.

Exactly. Who's to say that the opinions of modern culture are necessarily correct?

[Zymologist]

I propose we name the airport after a different, more modern, and less offensive actor. I nominate Samuel L. Jackson.

[Mountain Man]

There's plenty of sexual sin there, if you care to look. The FBI had recordings of sexual encounters between King and various women. I haven't read anything genuinely prejudicial in his commentary.

Isn't there a conspiracy theory that the FBI manufactured many of these accusations in order to blackmail King?

[Mountain Man]

I propose we name the airport after a different, more modern, and less offensive actor. I nominate Samuel L. Jackson.

Jussie Smollett.

[Littlejoe]

Anyone feel like posting the transcript of the interview so we don't have to click over to whatever website is linked in the editorial?

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[Sparko]

Link to the transcript:

https://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Wi...ayboy_Int2.pdf


I do love his comment about socialism here:


WAYNE: ... In the late Twenties, when I was a sophomore at USC, I was a socialist myself—but not when I left. The average college kid idealistically wishes everybody could have ice cream and cake for every meal. But as he gets older and gives more thought to his and his fellow man's responsibilities, he finds that it can't work out that way—that some people just won't carry their load.

[Cow Poke]

Judging people in the past by current but ever-changing social standards is absurd.

And that's what's happening.

[Cow Poke]

I propose we name the airport after a different, more modern, and less offensive actor. I nominate Samuel L. Jackson.

What's in your wallet?

samuel-l-jackson-capital-one.jpg

[mossrose]

Link to the transcript:

https://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Wi...ayboy_Int2.pdf


I do love his comment about socialism here:


WAYNE: ... In the late Twenties, when I was a sophomore at USC, I was a socialist myself—but not when I left. The average college kid idealistically wishes everybody could have ice cream and cake for every meal. But as he gets older and gives more thought to his and his fellow man's responsibilities, he finds that it can't work out that way—that some people just won't carry their load.

The problem today is that kids never learn to think about their fellow man. They continue in the selfish, entitled way that our culture teaches them from the minute they're born......assuming they're allowed to live past that point.

[QuantaFille]

Judging people in the past by current but ever-changing social standards is absurd.

It will come back to bite them. Eventually, the current politically correct opinions will be the politically incorrect opinions of the past which will be dug up and used to smear those who held them.

[guacamole]

Link to the transcript:

https://pages.shanti.virginia.edu/Wi...ayboy_Int2.pdf


I do love his comment about socialism here:


WAYNE: ... In the late Twenties, when I was a sophomore at USC, I was a socialist myself—but not when I left. The average college kid idealistically wishes everybody could have ice cream and cake for every meal. But as he gets older and gives more thought to his and his fellow man's responsibilities, he finds that it can't work out that way—that some people just won't carry their load.

Thank you. I was just mostly worried that I was going to be clicking onto a Playboy website.

[guacamole]

Anybody mind if I spam the thread with passages I think are worth discussing?

I will say that throughout the piece, Wayne comes across as surprisingly articulate and well-read.

Quotes about communists: in particular, this is his apologetic for participating in the Hollywood blacklisting movement. Third edit to add: In fairness, these were in the context of Wayne's comments about Vietnam and how he felt about the war, which is the section immediately preceding this. Fourth edit: Removed all of the profanity I could find.

Pages 17-18

PLAYBOY: Was the Motion Picture Alliance formed to blacklist Communists and
Communist sympathizers?

WAYNE: Our organization was just a group of motion-picture people on the right side,
not leftists and not Commies. I was the president for a couple of years. There was no
blacklist at that time, as some people said. That was a lot of [horse manure]. Later on, when
Congress passed some laws making it possible to take a stand against these people, we
were asked about Communists in the industry. So we gave them the facts as we knew
them. That's all. The only thing our side did that was anywhere near blacklisting was just
running a lot of people out of the business.

PLAYBOY: That sounds a good deal worse than blacklisting. Why couldn't you permit
all points of view to be expressed freely on the screen?

WAYNE: Because it's been proven that communism is foreign to the American way of
life. If you'd read the official Communist doctrine and then listened to the arguments of
these people we were opposing, you'd find they were reciting propaganda by rote.
Besides, these Communist sympathizers ran a lot of our people out of the business. One
of them was a Pulitzer Prize winner who's now a columnist—Morrie Ryskind. They just
never used him again at MGM after Dore Schary took charge of the studio, even though
he was under contract.

PLAYBOY: What was the mood in Hollywood that made it so fashionable to take such a
vigorous stand against communism?

WAYNE: Many of us were being invited to supposed social functions or house parties—
usually at well-known Hollywood writers' homes—that turned out to be Communist
recruitment meetings. Suddenly, everybody from makeup men to stagehands found
themselves in seminars on Marxism. Take this colonel I knew, the last man to leave the
Philippines on a submarine in 1942. He came back here and went to work sending food
and gifts to U.S. prisoners on Bataan. He'd already gotten a Dutch ship that was going to
take all this stuff over. The State Department pulled him off of it and sent the poor
bastard out to be the technical director on my picture Back to Bataan, which was being
made by Eddie Dmytryk. I knew that he and a whole group of actors in the picture were
pro-Reds, and when I wasn't there, these pro-Reds went to work on the colonel. He was a
Catholic, so they kidded him about his religion: They even sang the Internationale at
lunchtime. He finally came to me and said, "Mr. Wayne, I haven't anybody to turn to.
These people are doing everything in their power to belittle me." So I went to Dmytryk
and said, "Hey, are you a Commie?" He said, "No, I'm not a Commie. My father was a
Russian. I was born in Canada. But if the masses of the American people want
communism, I think it'd be good for our country." When he used the word "masses," he
exposed himself. That word is not a part of Western terminology. So I knew he was a
Commie. Well, it later came out that he was.

I also knew two other fellas who really did things that were detrimental to our way of life.
One of them was Carl Foreman, the guy who wrote the screenplay for High Noon, and
the other was Robert Rossen, the one who made the picture about Huey Long, All the
King's Men. In Rossen's version of All the King's Men, which he sent me to read for a
part, every character who had any responsibility at all was guilty of some offense against
society. To make Huey Long a wonderful, rough pirate was great; but, according to this
picture, everybody was a [piece of excrement] except for this weakling intern doctor who was trying to
find a place in the world. I sent the script back to Charlie Feldman, my agent, and said,
"If you ever send me a script like this again, I'll fire you." Ironically, it won the Academy
Award.

High Noon was even worse. Everybody says High Noon is a great picture because
Tiomkin wrote some great music for it and because Gary Cooper and Grace Kelly were
in it. So it's got everything going for it. In that picture, four guys come in to gun down the
sheriff. He goes to the church and asks for help and the guys go, "Oh well, oh gee." And
the women stand up and say, "You're rats. You're rats. You're rats." So Cooper goes out
alone. It's the most un-American thing I've ever seen in my whole life. The last thing in
the picture is ole Coop putting the United States marshal's badge under his foot and
stepping on it. I'll never regret having helped run Foreman out of this country.

PLAYBOY: What gave you the right?

WAYNE: Running him out of the country is just a figure of speech. But I did tell him
that I thought he'd hurt Gary Cooper's reputation a great deal. Foreman said, "Well, what
if I went to England?" I said, "Well, that's your business." He said, "Well, that's where
I'm going." And he did.

[Sparko]

Go back and edit out the profanity.