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    JOHN WAYNE?!?!?!?! OK, This Has Gone Too Far!!!



    Rename John Wayne Airport????

    In airport news, some are questioning whether Orange County's John Wayne Airport should get a new name; Austin-Bergstrom cuts the ribbon on an expansion; Pittsburgh International reveals the design for its new terminal; Atlanta travelers endure long TSA lines; Charlotte reopens an Admirals Club; and Istanbul's new international airport is delayed once again.

    Sometimes things from the past can come back to haunt you even after you're dead. That's the case for legendary actor John Wayne, whose name was applied to California's Orange County Airport in 1979. This month, someone dug up an interview that Wayne did with Playboy magazine in 1971, and his comments range from politically incorrect to grossly offensive by contemporary standards. That led the Los Angeles Times to run an editorial urging that Orange County officials rename their airport, claiming that the 1971 interview shows Wayne to be "an outspoken racist and homophobe." Here's one sample of The Duke's thoughts on native Americans: "I don't feel we did wrong in taking this great country away from them ... There were great numbers of people who needed new land, and the Indians were selfishly trying to keep it for themselves." And that's mild compared to his comments on African Americans and gays. The LA Times editorial (read it here) includes a link to the original interview.
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    Who thinks this stuff up? "Let's go and dig up something on John Wayne from 50 years ago to see if he was racist!!!!!!"



    Too much time on your hands, morons!


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    I think John Wayne had been against any expansion of the airport anyhow. The takeoff pattern nearly directed planes over his house.

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    I was talking this afternoon to the son of a genuine WWII War Hero, we'll call Curtis. I did Curtis' funeral about 7 or 8 years ago, and Curtis had been a deacon in my church. When I first got there, Curtis, for whatever reason, didn't like me at all. There was a group of people who had run off every previous pastor for whatever reason, and they were determined to "get me", too. I think Curtis drank coffee with that crowd on Tuesday mornings, and just got infected with this hate.

    About 3 years into my time at that Church, Curtis "came forward" one Sunday morning at invitation, and hugged me so hard it hurt, and was crying and sobbing, and he told me he loved me, and he was sorry he had been (his words) "such an ass". We became good friends. During my time at that church, Curtis got to where he was unable to get up and out very much at all, and started missing Church. He had been a regular "like clockwork". I would often stop by to visit Curtis, and he would talk about his cows, and we would trade "cow doctor" stories, and he would talk about his grandkids, and the house where he grew up, and how he had dated his wife by riding his horse to her house.

    Curtis had a little yappy dog that loved him, and always sat right in Curtis' lap. When I would come visit Curtis, the dog would get so excited and run around the house yapping and yipping and work himself into a frenzy, wanting me to pet him and pay attention to him. One time, the dog got so worked up he threw up on the carpet right in front of Curtis' feet. Without missing a beat, I said, "It's OK, Curtis, I got this!!!" And I went to the kitchen and got a bunch of paper towels, and started cleaning up the dog vomit. As I'm there on my knees at Curtis' feet scooping up dog vomit, I thought to myself, "what the HECK am I DOING?!?!?! I would not do this for anybody in the world" But I was doing it for Curtis.

    I thought about that years later - how much I had come to love that man and his sweet wife.

    When he died, I was asked to do the funeral. When I stopped by the funeral home, the funeral director gave me the "clergy record", which includes the obituary. I started to read it, and stopped, and read it again.... and I got the funeral director and asked, "Is THIS RIGHT?" Curtis has served in WWII in Germany and France, and had NUMEROUS medals and purple hearts and presidential unit citations and silver star and bronze star..... I was dumbfounded. I knew he had been in the army, but I had no idea he was an honest-to-goodness WAR HERO. I had had HOURS AND HOURS of talks with Curtis, and he NEVER mentioned anything "war heroish".

    Well, like I said, I talked to his son today. I found out they had put up a memorial to Curtis in the town square just a few years ago, and his son was telling me about the John Wayne airport.

    Then he got misty, and said, "you know, Daddy was a wonderful man who loved his family, but he grew up in hard times and in a different era, and he said some of those things you're not supposed to say. It was not at all uncommon to call black folk "niggers", and Daddy worked with a lot of them, including some descendants of slaves. He treated them like people, but it was a different era, and you used language that just isn't allowed today". I could see where he was going with this. He said, "what if that mentality comes here, and they have a big fight about taking Daddy's memorial down because he, 60 years ago, used language that is not appropriate today?"

    How have we allowed this idiocy to take over us -- that we can't honor our heroes because they grew up in a different time when things - for whatever reason - were totally acceptable back then, but you get thrown on the garbage pile of life today. Then his son concluded "they didn't put up that monument to my Daddy because of his language 60 years ago, but because he was willing to go and fight and bleed and even die, if necessary, for the freedom and liberties we enjoy today?"

    I just can't stop thinking about that.
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    That editorial is the height of idiocy.

    The big problem was that John Wayne was against liberals and communists who are promoting the demise of California ... while the cronies of Brown get financial benefits. The last I remember, the US Constitution requires the States to follow Republican form of government, not a communist.

    It seems that John Wayne was against Democrat policy to promote permanent welfare status among Blacks.

    Then the OC went with Democrats because of a California law that allows harvesting of ballots -- but I haven't really seen how this works. Somehow, the mail-in ballots allow for this harvesting to occur.

    There may have been some rough edges in John Wayne's personality but most of what we see quoted just presents the degeneration of the government -- the government that the editorialist idolizes.

    The editorialist acts like the civic jobs represent the top of society and those for whom airports might be named. But try to find a politician of a better role model than John Wayne (or anyone in Hollywood). Hmm. I just hear crickets.

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    Waiting for someone to dig up stuff from the early days of MLK.

    Won't hold my breath.


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    This line was almost comedic:
    But the resurrection of a 1971 interview Wayne gave to Playboy magazine has underscored the sheer crudeness of the actor’s feelings about gay people, black people, Native Americans, young people and liberals.
    I missed any statement against young people. But the editoralist ends this sentence with "and liberals." What is this saying? Maybe that the liberals have such a handicap that they can't overcome this liberal status ... that it is too much of a force that prevents them from thinking correctly ... that we therefore should make many accommodations for the awful state they are left in -- reparations for the liberals!!

    In reality the editorialist probably added 'young people and liberals' as trigger words for the millennials who have been indoctrinated in liberal speak. Despite some teachings that could be worthwhile and humanitarian, most of what the youth have been taught is simply the intolerance of other views, of traditional views, of American heritage and principles of freedom. It doesn't sound like John Wayne was cutting off freedom of speech -- but, today, the young people and the liberals are trying to stop the freedom of people to promote the constitutional benefits -- benefits that are readily taken away in socialist and communist countries.

    The article just seeks to promote liberal destruction of the nation -- could this be their intent? And the writer seeks even to remove any remnant of the symbolic statutes representing the virtues of life lived with freedom.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    Waiting for someone to dig up stuff from the early days of MLK.

    Won't hold my breath.
    JUST the early days?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mossrose View Post
    Who thinks this stuff up? "Let's go and dig up something on John Wayne from 50 years ago to see if he was racist!!!!!!"



    Too much time on your hands, morons!
    I think what's impossible to get through the heads of some of these taliban liberals is the change of language.

    At one time "gay" used to mean 'brightly colored' or 'happy'. Words change. Language changes.

    Just in my lifetime, blacks were called Negroes (totally acceptable, but not "the N word") then Black was Beautiful, and "people of color" or "colored people" (hence, the NAACP), blacks, African-Americans.....

    It's certainly not acceptable to call black persons "colored people", but at one time, that was the proper term. At one time, "Negro" was the proper term.

    Go back just a little further in time, and "the N word" used to be a word that was used to refer to African-Americans, and it was not a "hate" word, just a descriptive word.

    Years ago, we took a bunch of our Royal Ambassadors (~cub scouts) to the nursing home to visit Mr Balou, who used to be a tremendous singer. At that time, he was 90 years old, and pretty sharp. After we visited a while, I asked Mr Balou to sing something for the boys, and he sang an old chorus "Jesus loves the farmer, farmer, farmer, Jesus loves the farmer, He loves everyone", then the next verse was "the teacher", then --- to my surprise, and to much snickering and giggling by the boys, "Jesus loves the (N-word)...."

    There was not a racist bone in Mr Balou's body --- it was simply the word used in his day to refer to black people. Just like now, it could be used in a casual manner, like "make sure you invite the (N-words) in the field to come in for lunch", or "get a noose and hang those (N-words)". It wasn't the NAME that was racist, it was the way it was used.

    I don't think today's word police are even willing to consider the possibility that anybody 60 - 100 years ago could have possibly used the N-Word in anything other than a hateful racist manner.
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