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Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThe meaning really is that the best educated are the least submissive because they know what’s going on. This is really a call for much better education so that folks know when they are being fed “horse poo” and will do something about it. Authoritarian powers don’t like the masses to be too smart; they are easier to herd that way.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThat would explain the choke hold liberals have on public education and its generally dismal results, especially in inner cities which are liberal strongholds.
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"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostIt's called the human brain on poverty. It'd be great if people quit trying to score cheap political points off of it.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostIt's called the human brain on poverty. It'd be great if people quit trying to score cheap political points off of it.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOften when the top students from these inner city schools go to college they have to take remedial classes just to learn what they were supposed to have been taught in High School.
13th Grade Offers Some Teens an Easier Transition to College
If the'd focus on education instead of social engineering, maybe that wouldn't be a factor!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Look--every time there is an issue that has even the whiff of education about it, you guys drop the standard conservative talking points about education into the instruction. It isn't even relevant here--we're talking about more highly educated people being more prejudiced--not the standard inhabitants of "Democratic public school systems.""Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd they're ignorantly admitting they've screwed up education so much that they need to add one more year...
13th Grade Offers Some Teens an Easier Transition to College
If the'd focus on education instead of social engineering, maybe that wouldn't be a factor!"Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostLook--every time there is an issue that has even the whiff of education about it, you guys drop the standard conservative talking points about education into the instruction.
It isn't even relevant here--we're talking about more highly educated people being more prejudiced--not the standard inhabitants of "Democratic public school systems."Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostLook--every time there is an issue that has even the whiff of education about it, you guys drop the standard conservative talking points about education into the instruction. It isn't even relevant here--we're talking about more highly educated people being more prejudiced--not the standard inhabitants of "Democratic public school systems."
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostAnd every time they're brought up, they're waved away by others as a "cheap political ploy". (See, two can play this game.)
Granted. Note, however, the context in which it was brought up. If you want firstfloor's post and responses to it split into a new thread, perhaps that can be arranged.
fwiw,
guacamole"Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostLook, sometimes you must admit that these "standard conservative talking points about education" are true. I live outside Atlanta where the public school system is widely recognized as abysmally administered and run. Where they seem more interested in faking giving an education than actually providing it.
I've read quite a bit about Atlanta's public school system's cheating scandals. It's what happens when the tests are high stakes for the wrong person. Using tests to determine the capability of teachers and schools is a conservative idea, however, and not a liberal one--not supported by any of the education labor groups, at any rate."Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
Hear my cry, hear my shout,
Save me, save me"
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From the website:
In general, Republicans seem to dislike Democrats more than Democrats dislike Republicans, PredictWise found. We don’t know why this is, but this is not the only study to have detected an imbalance. For example, in a 2014 survey by the Pew Research Center, half of consistently conservative respondents said it was important for them to live in a place where most people share their political views—compared with just 35 percent of consistent liberals.
There's a reason for that, and remarkably, it's a matter of brain structure:
"What’s really fascinating is that there have been a number of recent studies looking at brain structural differences between liberals and conservatives," said Saltz. "And what’s been found in several studies is that liberals tend to have a larger anterior cingulate gyrus. That is an area that is responsible for taking in new information and that impact of the new information on decision making or choices. Conservatives tended on the whole to have a larger right amygdala. Amygdala being a deeper brain structure that processes more emotional information—specifically fear-based information," Saltz explained.
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"Basically the study showed that if you just based it on brain structural size difference, you could predict who would be a conservative and who would be a liberal with a frequency of 71.6 percent; 71.6 percent is a pretty high ability to predict who is a conservative and who is a liberal just from brain structure," Saltz said.
"When you look at what your parents were in terms of predicting what you might be in terms of conservative versus liberal, that enabled you to predict in studies at a rate of 69.5 percent. So very close. Not quite as good. And why is that interesting? It’s because the brain is plastic," Saltz continued.
Which is probably why it's possible to whip up conservatives into a frenzy of fear and anger against the people identified as different, but not so easy for liberal demagogues to do it to their followers.
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostI don't know how much of the Conservative cannon on education is verifiable or even theoretically sound. There is a certain logical disjunction between the ardent defense of the free market system's requirement of a disparity in poverty and wealthy on the one hand and the insistence that everyone can be as well educated and excellent (To what end? For what reason, if profound wealth requires miserable poverty) as the wealthiest/most privileged.
I've read quite a bit about Atlanta's public school system's cheating scandals. It's what happens when the tests are high stakes for the wrong person. Using tests to determine the capability of teachers and schools is a conservative idea, however, and not a liberal one--not supported by any of the education labor groups, at any rate.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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