Democratic lawmaker announces plans to file impeachment resolution

[tabibito]

Even CNN reported this story correctly at the time:

Source: CNN

(2017) Trump said there were some "very bad people" on both sides, but that there was some who came out to protest the removal of Robert E. Lee's statue who were "fine people."

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/polit...lay/index.html

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Yes, Trump called that one - so obviously - correctly.

[Bill the Cat]

Yes, Trump called that one - so obviously - correctly.

Well, yes. He did.

[Cow Poke]

No. When questioned directly about the Nazi-style tiki-torch parade chanting “White lives matter” and “Jews will not replace us", Trump said there were "good people on both sides', including among those in the tiki-torch parade. He later amended it with an unconvincing scripted rebuttal, just as he similarly amended his connection with former Ku Klux Klan leader David Duke, but he remains ambiguous. After all, Trump doesn't want to alienate his racist base.

Trump Didn't Call Neo-Nazis 'Fine People.' Here's Proof.

News anchors and pundits have repeated lies about Donald Trump and race so often that some of these narratives seem true, even to Americans who embrace the fruits of the president’s policies. The most pernicious and pervasive of these lies is the “Charlottesville Hoax,” the fake-news fabrication that he described the neo-Nazis who rallied in Charlottesville, Va., in August 2017 as “fine people.”

Just last week I exposed this falsehood, yet again, when CNN contributor Keith Boykin falsely stated, “When violent people were marching with tiki torches in Charlottesville, the president said they were ‘very fine people.’” When I objected and detailed that Trump’s “fine people on both sides” observation clearly related to those on both sides of the Confederate monument debate, and specifically excluded the violent supremacists, anchor Erin Burnett interjected, “He [Trump] didn’t say it was on the monument debate at all. No, they didn’t even try to use that defense. It’s a good one, but no one’s even tried to use it, so you just used it now.”

My colleagues seem prepared to dispute our own network’s correct contemporaneous reporting and the very clear transcripts of the now-infamous Trump Tower presser on the tragic events of Charlottesville. Here are the unambiguous actual words of President Trump:

“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

As a man charged with publicly explaining Donald Trump’s often meandering and colloquial vernacular in highly adversarial TV settings, I appreciate more than most the sometimes-murky nature of his off-script commentaries. But these Charlottesville statements leave little room for interpretation. For any honest person, therefore, to conclude that the president somehow praised the very people he actually derided, reveals a blatant and blinding level of bias.

But, then again, he's talking about HONEST persons.

[rogue06]

Trump Didn't Call Neo-Nazis 'Fine People.' Here's Proof.

News anchors and pundits have repeated lies about Donald Trump and race so often that some of these narratives seem true, even to Americans who embrace the fruits of the president’s policies. The most pernicious and pervasive of these lies is the “Charlottesville Hoax,” the fake-news fabrication that he described the neo-Nazis who rallied in Charlottesville, Va., in August 2017 as “fine people.”

Just last week I exposed this falsehood, yet again, when CNN contributor Keith Boykin falsely stated, “When violent people were marching with tiki torches in Charlottesville, the president said they were ‘very fine people.’” When I objected and detailed that Trump’s “fine people on both sides” observation clearly related to those on both sides of the Confederate monument debate, and specifically excluded the violent supremacists, anchor Erin Burnett interjected, “He [Trump] didn’t say it was on the monument debate at all. No, they didn’t even try to use that defense. It’s a good one, but no one’s even tried to use it, so you just used it now.”

My colleagues seem prepared to dispute our own network’s correct contemporaneous reporting and the very clear transcripts of the now-infamous Trump Tower presser on the tragic events of Charlottesville. Here are the unambiguous actual words of President Trump:

“Excuse me, they didn’t put themselves down as neo-Nazis, and you had some very bad people in that group. But you also had people that were very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group – excuse me, excuse me, I saw the same pictures you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down of, to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.”

After another question at that press conference, Trump became even more explicit:

“I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and white nationalists because they should be condemned totally.”

As a man charged with publicly explaining Donald Trump’s often meandering and colloquial vernacular in highly adversarial TV settings, I appreciate more than most the sometimes-murky nature of his off-script commentaries. But these Charlottesville statements leave little room for interpretation. For any honest person, therefore, to conclude that the president somehow praised the very people he actually derided, reveals a blatant and blinding level of bias.

But, then again, he's talking about HONEST persons.

He's been shown the exact quotes multiple times but continues repeating the exact same B.S. unabated.


ETA:From this very thread

It helps to see his entire statement:

Trump: I think there is blame on both sides. You look at both sides. I think there is blame on both sides. I have no doubt about it. You don't have doubt about it either. If you reported it accurately, you would say that the neo-Nazis started this thing. They showed up in Charlottesville. Excuse me. They didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis. You had some very bad people in that group. You also had some very fine people on both sides. You had people in that group -- excuse me, excuse me. I saw the same pictures as you did. You had people in that group that were there to protest the taking down, of to them, a very, very important statue and the renaming of a park from Robert E. Lee to another name.

...

You had people and i'm not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists. They should be condemned totally. You had many people in that group other than neo-Nazis and white nationalists. The press has treated them absolutely unfairly. Now, in the other group also, you had some fine people but you also had troublemakers and you see them come with the black outfits and with the helmets and with the baseball bats. You had a lot of bad people in the other group too.

Q: You were saying the press has treated white nationalists unfairly?

Trump: No, no. There were people in that rally. I looked the night before. If you look, there were people protesting very quietly the taking down taking down the statue of Robert E. Lee. I am sure there were some bad ones.

The following day, it looked like they had some rough, bad people, neo-Nazis, white nationalists, whatever you want to call them. You had a lot of people in that group that were there to innocently protest and very legally protest. I don't know if you know, they had a permit. The other group didn't have a permit.

So I only tell you this. There are two sides to a story. I thought what took place was horrible moment for our country, a horrible moment. But there are two sides to the country.

You really have to twist and squint and tilt your head to construe any of that as Trump saying that the neo-Nazis were fine people.

Yup.

They didn't put themselves down as neo-Nazis. You had some very bad people in that group. You also had some very fine people on both sides.

So he is specifically saying that there were "some very bad people" among the neo-Nazis and then pivots to talking about "both sides" in general, not just a specific segment among one group when he said "You also had some very fine people on both sides." And yet Tass and his ilk will continue to misportray and mischaracterize what was plainly said. It's the same deliberate disingenuous corkscrewing that happened when he called MS-13 "animals and the left duplicitously claimed he was talking about all immigrants.

Very dishonest people there.

Even CNN reported this story correctly at the time:

Source: CNN

(2017) Trump said there were some "very bad people" on both sides, but that there was some who came out to protest the removal of Robert E. Lee's statue who were "fine people."

https://www.cnn.com/2017/08/15/polit...lay/index.html

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He's either duplicitous and disingenuous or incredibly stupid.

[Sparko]

He's either duplicitous and disingenuous or incredibly stupid.

Yes to all of the above.

[Cow Poke]

He's been shown the exact quotes multiple times but continues repeating the exact same B.S. unabated.

Because he's a dishonest whom I will no longer engage.

He reminds me of the "For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie".

[Bill the Cat]

Back on topic...

Source: https://www.cnn.com/2019/03/20/politics/donald-trump-impeachment-democrats-support/index.html

How Democrats fell out of love with impeaching Trump

Almost from the day that Donald Trump won the White House in 2016, a significant chunk of Democrats have wanted Congress to throw him out of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue via impeachment. Which makes the latest finding on impeachment in a CNN-SSRS poll all the more intriguing.
Just more than one in three respondents said they support an effort to impeach Trump. That's down from 43% who said the same in December and 47% who supported impeachment earlier in the fall of 2018. But more amazingly -- at least to me! -- is that while 80% of self-identified Democrats said they backed impeaching Trump in December, just 68% feel that way now.

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[Mountain Man]

Even the deceitful James Comey who was instrumental in getting this entire fiasco rolling seems to be hedging his bets that Mueller has nothing:

Even though I believe Mr. Trump is morally unfit to be president of the United States, I’m not rooting for Mr. Mueller to demonstrate that he is a criminal. I’m also not rooting for Mr. Mueller to “clear” the president. I’m not rooting for anything at all, except that the special counsel be permitted to finish his work, charge whatever cases warrant charging and report on his work.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com...ward-the-exit/

[Mountain Man]

Even the far-left Politico has lost faith...

IF YOU TALK TO CAPITOL HILL DEMOCRATS PRIVATELY, you will hear something surprising about what they expect from ROBERT MUELLER: Many of them expect absolutely nothing. Several top Democratic lawmakers and aides tell us privately that they are certain the report will be a dud. (Capitalization is in the original article. -MM)

https://www.politico.com/newsletters...00&nlid=630318

The rest of the article goes on to prove the case, albeit unintentionally, that this was never about justice but "getting" Trump by hook or by crook.