Calling white men racist seems to be the new "have you stopped beating your wife"

[Roy]

Mountain Man does, in fact, understand it quite well. Of course your comment should have been dismissed without response since you never brothered to demonstrate in what way Mountain Man supposedly doesn't understand.

There's no point, since he doesn't want to understand. His cited source doesn't support his claim, but he hasn't noticed. He's trying to learn about CRT from its detractors rather than from its proponents or even from neutral observers, which is a really bad way to learn about something.

It'd be like trying to learn about the evidence for evolution by reading YECs, or trying to learn about the evidence for climate change by reading deniers.

[Mountain Man]

There's no point, since he doesn't want to understand. His cited source doesn't support his claim, but he hasn't noticed. He's trying to learn about CRT from its detractors rather than from its proponents or even from neutral observers, which is a really bad way to learn about something.

It'd be like trying to learn about the evidence for evolution by reading YECs, or trying to learn about the evidence for climate change by reading deniers.

Your pathetic ad hominem and genetic fallacy is duly noted.

[Sparko]

There's no point, since he doesn't want to understand. His cited source doesn't support his claim, but he hasn't noticed. He's trying to learn about CRT from its detractors rather than from its proponents or even from neutral observers, which is a really bad way to learn about something.

It'd be like trying to learn about the evidence for evolution by reading YECs, or trying to learn about the evidence for climate change by reading deniers.

please educate us, your Majesty.

Reading about it from here: https://spacrs.wordpress.com/what-is...l-race-theory/

It seems that MM is correct. CRT's core thesis seems to be that all whites are racist because white's have the power and authority (White Privilege) therefore even if an individual is not racist, he is actually racist because he belongs to the white race. And minorities can't be racist because they don't have any societal power.

It's a load of malarkey.

[Mountain Man]

"CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society. The individual racist need not exist to note that institutional racism is pervasive in the dominant culture. This is the analytical lens that CRT uses in examining existing power structures. CRT identifies that these power structures are based on white privilege and white supremacy, which perpetuates the marginalization of people of color."

In other words, even if a white person is not a racist, he's still a racist, and there's nothing he can say in his own defense. It's a classic kafkatrap.

[seer]

"CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society. The individual racist need not exist to note that institutional racism is pervasive in the dominant culture. This is the analytical lens that CRT uses in examining existing power structures. CRT identifies that these power structures are based on white privilege and white supremacy, which perpetuates the marginalization of people of color."

In other words, even if a white person is not a racist, he's still a racist, and there's nothing he can say in his own defense. It's a classic kafkatrap.

This is such crap...

[Roy]

please educate us, your Majesty.

Reading about it from here: https://spacrs.wordpress.com/what-is...l-race-theory/

It seems that MM is correct. CRT's core thesis seems to be that all whites are racist because...

No, it's not. CRT's core thesis is that societal structure is racist, so that even if individuals are not racist, there is still inequality because of historical factors. It doesn't say that all whites are racist, it says that all whites, racist or not, are favoured by pre-existing laws, customs or circumstances.

And minorities can't be racist because they don't have any societal power.

I have no idea where you get that from. It's not in your source, and is a ridiculous idea.

It's a load of malarkey.

Your mischaracterisation is certainly malarkey.

[seer]

No, it's not. CRT's core thesis is that societal structure is racist...

And the evidence for this is what?

[Roy]

And the evidence for this is what?

In Sparko's link: "CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society."

But I suppose you're demanding evidence that US societal structure is actually racist, not merely that CRT claims that.

[seer]

In Sparko's link: "CRT recognizes that racism is engrained in the fabric and system of the American society."

But I suppose you're demanding evidence that US societal structure is actually racist, not merely that CRT claims that.

Right, what does societal structure being racist even mean? And where is the evidence?

[seer]

We white people really suck!

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...es/3130783002/

[Sparko]

No, it's not. CRT's core thesis is that societal structure is racist, so that even if individuals are not racist, there is still inequality because of historical factors. It doesn't say that all whites are racist, it says that all whites, racist or not, are favoured by pre-existing laws, customs or circumstances. I have no idea where you get that from. It's not in your source, and is a ridiculous idea.Your mischaracterisation is certainly malarkey.

Go back and check out some of the links I posted earlier where SJWs are saying all white people are racist and minorities can't be racist.

I don't know about you, but I am not responsible for how society treated blacks 150 years ago. And how would that even work with the UK who never had black slaves? Under this CRT idea, not only is an entire race being called racist (that is a racist thing to do, how ironic) and being held responsible for their ancestor's actions, it means they can never be free of that accusation. The white race will forever be "racist" because there is no forgiveness for the past. The whole CRT is nothing but reverse racism.

[Roy]

Go back and check out some of the links I posted earlier where SJWs are saying all white people are racist and minorities can't be racist.

Why? Are they talking about Critical Race Theory? I know such claims have been made. I also know they're not part of CRT.

I don't know about you, but I am not responsible for how society treated blacks 150 years ago. And how would that even work with the UK who never had black slaves? Under this CRT idea, not only is an entire race being called racist...

No, they aren't. Saying that a society is effectively racist does not mean that every member of the majority in that society is racist. Especially when CRT explicitly says that "the individual racist need not exist."

...being held responsible for their ancestor's actions, ...

They may be, but once again that isn't part of CRT.

The whole CRT is nothing but reverse racism.

Do you that a few decades ago, when US society definitely was racist due to laws about segregation and miscegenation, that meant all whites were racists?
If you don't, why would claiming that US society is still racist mean that all whites are racist now?

[Mountain Man]

Saying that a society is effectively racist does not mean that every member of the majority in that society is racist.

That's essentially what it is saying.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122

[Bill the Cat]

Why? Are they talking about Critical Race Theory? I know such claims have been made. I also know they're not part of CRT.

No, they aren't. Saying that a society is effectively racist does not mean that every member of the majority in that society is racist. Especially when CRT explicitly says that "the individual racist need not exist."They may be, but once again that isn't part of CRT. Do you that a few decades ago, when US society definitely was racist due to laws about segregation and miscegenation, that meant all whites were racists?
If you don't, why would claiming that US society is still racist mean that all whites are racist now?

6 is more than a few...

[Roy]

Saying that a society is effectively racist does not mean that every member of the majority in that society is racist.

That's essentially what it is saying.

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=2122

Unbelievable.

You just quoted a source describing something as a fallacy* as support for that fallacy.

*"I will show that the kafkatrap is a form of argument that is so fallacious and manipulative that those subjected to it are entitled to reject it based entirely on the form of the argument, without reference to whatever particular sin or thoughtcrime is being alleged."