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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostAccording to this paper, about half of the mutations are neutral, and about half are deleterious. So most gene duplications will provide only degraded genes for selection to work with (we can disregard neutral mutations, which are invisible to selection).
From everything I've read neutral mutations, those that have no effect on fitness[1], make up the vast majority of all mutations. IIRC they consist of something like 80 to 90% of all mutations.
1. In biology "fitness" doesn't mean faster, stronger etc. but being able to survive and reproduce therefore passing on the organism's genes.
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Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View PostThe paper which describes the evolution of new protein function.
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Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostRight, isn't that what is of interest? A gene duplicates, and then one copy can evolve new function.
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostWell, I think the paper was referencing protein coding duplications: "the fitness distribution of mutations at the protein level". But surely mutations in regulatory DNA fit this profile too, where most mutations are neutral or deleterious.
And protein coding duplications are irrelevant if they don't also include the regulator DNA that ensures the proteins are expressed.
Why don't you bother to learn some biology if you intend to keep talking about it? It would save you from saying nonsensical stuff like this. And while you're at it, i'd also suggest saying nothing when you're ignorant."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View PostWhich directly falsifies Behe's ridiculous claim evolution only works by "breaking things" and degrading information.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by TheLurch View PostYou have no idea whether that's true or not.
And protein coding duplications are irrelevant if they don't also include the regulator DNA that ensures the proteins are expressed.
Why don't you bother to learn some biology if you intend to keep talking about it?
This one just makes sense, selection will most often find broken or damaged genes to work with, and once selected and fixed, it is unlikely that the damage can be undone.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostAccording to this paper, about half of the mutations are neutral, and about half are deleterious.
1) Quote their claim.
2) Quote their cited source
3) Note the glaring discrepancy.
In this case, Dory's source says this: "most of the mutations are either neutral or deleterious."
That does not mean that half are neutral and half deleterious.Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThe three step approach to refuting creationist garage:
1) Quote their claim.
2) Quote their cited source
3) Note the glaring discrepancy.
In this case, Dory's source says this: "most of the mutations are either neutral or deleterious."
That does not mean that half are neutral and half deleterious.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Roy View PostThe three step approach to refuting creationist garage:
1) Quote their claim.
2) Quote their cited source
3) Note the glaring discrepancy.
In this case, Dory's source says this: "most of the mutations are either neutral or deleterious."
That does not mean that half are neutral and half deleterious.
Blessings,
Lee"What I pray of you is, to keep your eye upon Him, for that is everything. Do you say, 'How am I to keep my eye on Him?' I reply, keep your eye off everything else, and you will soon see Him. All depends on the eye of faith being kept on Him. How simple it is!" (J.B. Stoney)
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Originally posted by lee_merrill View Post
I do know some biology, though not as much as others here, but I find Behe's arguments hold up pretty well when I try them out.
This one just makes sense, selection will most often find broken or damaged genes to work with, and once selected and fixed, it is unlikely that the damage can be undone.
Blessings,
Lee
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Science isn't based on "this makes sense" but rather on what the evidence reveals. And that's ALL the evidence, not just the bits that you might think confirms what you have decided "makes sense."
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostScience isn't based on "this makes sense" but rather on what the evidence reveals.
Also, i'm debating what, exactly, this is an example of:
Originally posted by lee_merrill View PostI do know some biology, though not as much as others here, but I find Behe's arguments hold up pretty well when I try them out."Any sufficiently advanced stupidity is indistinguishable from trolling."
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