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    Answering An Argument Against God's Ordination of All Things

    There is an argument I heard that is against the view that God ordains everything that comes to pass. How would you respond to it?

    If God ordains everything that comes to pass, then God ordains that Christians will not use their God-given strength to overcome sin in certain circumstances.
    If God ordains that Christians will not use their God-given strength to overcome sin in certain circumstances, then sin is unavoidable in certain circumstances.
    If sin is unavoidable in certain circumstances, then this would be inconsistent with the teaching of 1 Corinthians 10:13, which teaches that God will provide a way to escape the temptation to sin.

    Conclusion: If God ordains everything that comes to pass, hen this would be inconsistent with the teaching of 1 Corinthians 10:13, which teaches that God will provide a way to escape the temptation to sin.

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    What is your working definition of "ordain"? God allows things to happen but does not endorse them.

    The other day, a friend of mine posted a quotation from a Calvinist theologian who argued that God invented and introduced sin as part of his plan because God controls everything that happens. This would be the logical conclusion of such a determinist viewpoint, but is quite obviously wrong.
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    Are there actually any twebbers that think God actually is fully equivalent to an author? Because fictional characters have no choice but be whatever the writer has them to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hornet View Post
    There is an argument I heard ....
    This appears to be the internet version of "they say...."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    This appears to be the internet version of "they say...."
    Last time, I think the "they" was Sye ten Bruggencate IIRC, who doesn't deserve to be taken seriously.
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    Is this topic a ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    Is this topic a ?
    That's my suspicion any time an OP begins "There is an argument I heard...."
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    And supposedly there are no stupid questions... except that I've seen a few threads on tweb that are stupid questions. Only a small child could get away with asking them!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Christianbookworm View Post
    And supposedly there are no stupid questions... except that I've seen a few threads on tweb that are stupid questions. Only a small child could get away with asking them!
    Are we there yet?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Are we there yet?
    That's just being impatient. Though, don't we do something similar when we say "com soon Jesus"?
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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