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    Mass shootings at New Zealand mosques kill 49

    CHRISTCHURCH, New Zealand (AP) — Mass shootings at two mosques full of worshippers attending Friday prayers killed 49 people on what the prime minister called “one of New Zealand’s darkest days,” as authorities charged one person, detained three others and defused explosive devices in what appeared to be a carefully planned racist attack.

    https://apnews.com/ce9e1d267af149dab40e3e5391254530

    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

  • #2
    Originally posted by seer View Post
    ...a carefully planned racist attack.

    https://apnews.com/ce9e1d267af149dab40e3e5391254530
    "Muslim" isn't a race.

    Not a lot of details about this one at the moment, but I'm hearing some curious things being reported in various comment forums. They're probably just rumors, but the general vibe is that not everything is necessarily what it appears to be.
    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
    Than a fool in the eyes of God


    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      "Muslim" isn't a race.

      Not a lot of details about this one at the moment, but I'm hearing some curious things being reported in various comment forums. They're probably just rumors, but the general vibe is that not everything is necessarily what it appears to be.
      This one shooter (there seems to be two) who was a white live streamed the act. I watched a bit of it, he was definitely anti-Muslim.
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • #4
        Four working in unison. At least one Australian (male), one female. Machine gun was used. IEDs in place but not used.
        NZ Govt has advised mosques to close for the time being. Flights cancelled. T'would seem the police have reason to believe this isn't the full extent of the planned attacks.


        Comments by the NZ Prime Minister, Jacinda Ardern---
        We were not a target because we are a safe harbour for those who hate. We were not chosen for this act of violence because we condone racism; because we are an enclave for extremism. We were chosen for the very fact that we are none of these things: because we represent diversity, kindness, compassion; a home for those who share our values; refuge for those who need it. And those values, I can assure you, will not and cannot be shaken by this attack.

        NZ flags at half mast - Australian PM (Scott Morrison) requested the same of Aus flags.
        N.Z. reviewing gun laws - which are kind of lax by comparison with Australia's.
        1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
        .
        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
        Scripture before Tradition:
        but that won't prevent others from
        taking it upon themselves to deprive you
        of the right to call yourself Christian.

        ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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        • #5
          It's awful
          A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
          George Bernard Shaw

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          • #6
            I believe that it is listed as terrorism in the NZ statutes. Whether it is or not, it is an act of terrorism as disgusting as any other act of terrorism.
            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
            .
            ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
            Scripture before Tradition:
            but that won't prevent others from
            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
            of the right to call yourself Christian.

            ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tabibito View Post
              I believe that it is listed as terrorism in the NZ statutes. Whether it is or not, it is an act of terrorism as disgusting as any other act of terrorism.
              To me this is certainly terrorism...
              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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              • #8
                The one shooter that's been identified seems like a real nutjob:

                Source: New Zealand Shooter Hopes for U.S. Civil War: ‘Conservatism Is Dead, Thank God’

                According to his manifesto, the shooter — who massacred civilians at two mosques in New Zealand’s city of Christchurch — appears to subscribe to a number of ideologies. The document is riddled with white nationalist talking points, and the shooter describes himself as a “fascist.” He also castigates Muslims as “the most despised group of invaders in the west.”

                Yet elsewhere in the document, the shooter describes himself as a socialist, “depending on the definition.” The shooter also declares his support for “environmentalism,” “worker’s rights,” and “responsible markets.”

                ...

                Elsewhere, the shooter disparages conservatism and declines to identify with it, writing that “conservatism is dead, thank god,” and calling it “corporatism in disguise.” Conservatives, he says, “don’t even believe in the race, they don’t have the gall to say race exists” and “don’t even care if it does.”

                “The notion of a racial future or destiny is as foreign to them as social responsibilities.”

                Parts of the manifesto appear to be insincere trolling, aimed at sowing confusion about his motivations. At one point, the shooter blames his action on popular video game titles, saying “Spyro the Dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism” and that “Fortnite trained me to be a killer.”

                Elsewhere in the document, the shooter identifies black conservative Candace Owens — obviously neither a white nationalist nor a supporter of violence — as the “person that has influenced me above all.”

                ...

                At three points in his manifesto, the shooter also states his intention to spark a civil war in the United States by triggering crackdowns on the Second Amendment. In his laundry list of motivations, the shooter spends the most amount of time discussing this goal, which he believes will ultimately lead to a “fracturing” of the U.S. along “cultural and racial lines.”

                As he describes it, his attack will “Create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political, and racial divide within the United States.”

                “This conflict over the 2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will eventually result in a civil war that will Balkanize the U.S. along political, cultural, and most importantly racial lines.”

                Elsewhere in the manifesto, the shooter predicts that his attack will lead to “calls for the removal of gun rights from whites in the United States… that is the plan all along.”

                https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...ead-thank-god/

                © Copyright Original Source


                Unfortunately, he may get his wish of people using this shooting to ratchet up the gun control debate.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  The one shooter that's been identified seems like a real nutjob:

                  Source: New Zealand Shooter Hopes for U.S. Civil War: ‘Conservatism Is Dead, Thank God’

                  According to his manifesto, the shooter — who massacred civilians at two mosques in New Zealand’s city of Christchurch — appears to subscribe to a number of ideologies. The document is riddled with white nationalist talking points, and the shooter describes himself as a “fascist.” He also castigates Muslims as “the most despised group of invaders in the west.”

                  Yet elsewhere in the document, the shooter describes himself as a socialist, “depending on the definition.” The shooter also declares his support for “environmentalism,” “worker’s rights,” and “responsible markets.”

                  ...

                  Elsewhere, the shooter disparages conservatism and declines to identify with it, writing that “conservatism is dead, thank god,” and calling it “corporatism in disguise.” Conservatives, he says, “don’t even believe in the race, they don’t have the gall to say race exists” and “don’t even care if it does.”

                  “The notion of a racial future or destiny is as foreign to them as social responsibilities.”

                  Parts of the manifesto appear to be insincere trolling, aimed at sowing confusion about his motivations. At one point, the shooter blames his action on popular video game titles, saying “Spyro the Dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism” and that “Fortnite trained me to be a killer.”

                  Elsewhere in the document, the shooter identifies black conservative Candace Owens — obviously neither a white nationalist nor a supporter of violence — as the “person that has influenced me above all.”

                  ...

                  At three points in his manifesto, the shooter also states his intention to spark a civil war in the United States by triggering crackdowns on the Second Amendment. In his laundry list of motivations, the shooter spends the most amount of time discussing this goal, which he believes will ultimately lead to a “fracturing” of the U.S. along “cultural and racial lines.”

                  As he describes it, his attack will “Create conflict between the two ideologies within the United States on the ownership of firearms in order to further the social, cultural, political, and racial divide within the United States.”

                  “This conflict over the 2nd amendment and the attempted removal of firearms rights will eventually result in a civil war that will Balkanize the U.S. along political, cultural, and most importantly racial lines.”

                  Elsewhere in the manifesto, the shooter predicts that his attack will lead to “calls for the removal of gun rights from whites in the United States… that is the plan all along.”

                  https://www.breitbart.com/national-s...ead-thank-god/

                  © Copyright Original Source


                  Unfortunately, he may get his wish of people using this shooting to ratchet up the gun control debate.
                  Yeah, it's probably going to start up but...NZ already has very strict gun control laws in place don't they? (I admit, I assumed they were similar to Australia's) It would seem to me that his actions destroy that narrative...

                  This type of thing is why my church has an armed "Safety Team" of which I'm a member of. An active shooter would get a big surprise at my church...too bad those worshipers in the NZ Mosques didn't have that option.
                  "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

                  "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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                  • #10
                    Spyro the Dragon 3 taught me ethno-nationalism
                    Wat?
                    "Down in the lowlands, where the water is deep,
                    Hear my cry, hear my shout,
                    Save me, save me"

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                    • #11

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
                        Yeah, it's probably going to start up but...NZ already has very strict gun control laws in place don't they? (I admit, I assumed they were similar to Australia's) It would seem to me that his actions destroy that narrative...

                        This type of thing is why my church has an armed "Safety Team" of which I'm a member of. An active shooter would get a big surprise at my church...too bad those worshipers in the NZ Mosques didn't have that option.
                        Well...apparently there was someone that was armed at the second mosque and he returned fire and apparently saved a lot lives:

                        Source: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213039


                        Second shooting at mosque in Linwood
                        A second shooting happened at a mosque in the Linwood area of the city.
                        One Friday prayer goer returned fire with a rifle or shotgun.
                        Witnesses said they heard multiple gunshots around 1.45pm.
                        A well known Muslim local chased the shooters and fired two shots at them as they sped off.
                        He was heard telling police officers he was firing in "self defence".
                        "They were in a silver Subaru," he told police.
                        Mark Nichols, manager of Premium Tyres and Auto in Linwood, said he a gunman ran past his shop around 45 minutes ago.

                        © Copyright Original Source



                        So, once again, a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun...
                        "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

                        "... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
                          Yeah, it's probably going to start up but...NZ already has very strict gun control laws in place don't they? (I admit, I assumed they were similar to Australia's) It would seem to me that his actions destroy that narrative...
                          Well...

                          Source: Breitbart

                          Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) used the news of the terror attack at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, on Friday by attacking the National Rifle Association (NRA).

                          At 1st I thought of saying, “Imagine being told your house of faith isn’t safe anymore.”

                          But I couldn’t say “imagine.”

                          Because of Charleston.
                          Pittsburgh.
                          Sutherland Springs.

                          What good are your thoughts & prayers when they don’t even keep the pews safe?

                          ...

                          (“Thoughts and prayers” is reference to the NRA’s phrase used to deflect conversation away from policy change during tragedies. Not directed to PM Ardern, who I greatly admire.)

                          https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...to-attack-nra/

                          © Copyright Original Source

                          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                          Than a fool in the eyes of God


                          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
                            Well...apparently there was someone that was armed at the second mosque and he returned fire and apparently saved a lot lives:

                            Source: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/news/article.cfm?c_id=1&objectid=12213039


                            Second shooting at mosque in Linwood
                            A second shooting happened at a mosque in the Linwood area of the city.
                            One Friday prayer goer returned fire with a rifle or shotgun.
                            Witnesses said they heard multiple gunshots around 1.45pm.
                            A well known Muslim local chased the shooters and fired two shots at them as they sped off.
                            He was heard telling police officers he was firing in "self defence".
                            "They were in a silver Subaru," he told police.
                            Mark Nichols, manager of Premium Tyres and Auto in Linwood, said he a gunman ran past his shop around 45 minutes ago.

                            © Copyright Original Source



                            So, once again, a good guy with a gun stops a bad guy with a gun...
                            because the police can't get there in time.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              Well...

                              Source: Breitbart

                              Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez (D-NY) used the news of the terror attack at two mosques in Christchurch, New Zealand, on Friday by attacking the National Rifle Association (NRA).

                              At 1st I thought of saying, “Imagine being told your house of faith isn’t safe anymore.”

                              But I couldn’t say “imagine.”

                              Because of Charleston.
                              Pittsburgh.
                              Sutherland Springs.

                              What good are your thoughts & prayers when they don’t even keep the pews safe?

                              ...

                              (“Thoughts and prayers” is reference to the NRA’s phrase used to deflect conversation away from policy change during tragedies. Not directed to PM Ardern, who I greatly admire.)

                              https://www.breitbart.com/2nd-amendm...to-attack-nra/

                              © Copyright Original Source

                              Others blamed Trump.

                              Ned Price, who is NBC News National Security Analyst who gained notoriety for his op-ed piece in the Washington Post which outlined his decision to retire from the CIA rather than work in a Donald Trump Administration, was quick to blame Trump while a guest on MSNBC Live With Craig Melvin this morning saying that he "has provided a lot of fodder for people like this" and "This is a president who has given plenty of rhetorical ammunition."

                              Similar statements were made CBS correspondent Nikki Battiste on CBS This Morning. She also blamed the Second Amendment, which last I heard, was not in effect in New Zealand, but hey, never let the facts get in the way of a good rant.

                              Though these both paled in comparison to the folks at CBS in their attempts to outdo each other blaming Trump starting with host Alisyn Camerota followed by the network's chief political correspondent Dana Bash and political analyst John Avlon.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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