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Originally posted by Sparko
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But why isn't the particle already in a state of collapse since observer one already made in collapse? How can it not be in that state for observer two?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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I think that is the whole point of the thought experiment. To show that it should be but wasn't. But how would the 2nd observer know whether is was or wasn't until he interacted with it? The seem to be saying that even though the first observer collapsed the particle the 2nd observer somehow knew it wasn't collapsed. I don't understand how they could even know.Originally posted by seer View Post
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Quantum Mechanics more so than other sciences.Originally posted by rogue06 View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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What is 'settled science?' All science is based on the falsification of theories and hypothesis, nothing is ever considered absolutely proven, and subject to change. Most basic sciences at the macro scale have well established hypothesis and theories at the foundation, and only subject to limited changes based on the advancement of discoveries and research. The science of Quantum Mechanics is the edge of science, and the observations at the Quanta level of our physical existence are often indirect observations of effects, and yes difficult from the human perspective.Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostWhat about "settled science"?
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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right...Originally posted by Sparko View PostAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
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They are not claiming to 'know.' These are interpretations base don the human perspective of Quantum Mechanics consistent with previous observations.Originally posted by Sparko View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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You'd have to ask the people who are fond using that phrase.Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by PetraComment
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That is why I am asking you. Scientists are not fond of odd sayings like 'settled science.' They would out of jobs.Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYou'd have to ask the people who are fond using that phrase.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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Unless they are climatologists.Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Global Warming is an accepted hypothesis subject to change if new information becomes available like every other hypothesis and theory.Originally posted by tabibito View PostGlendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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They are claiming to know. They are claiming the thought experiment has been confirmed with testing. Read the article.Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
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Yup - the article claims "proven." Problem arises though, in that it is a reporters words ... though I may have missed it, there doesn't seem to be a direct quote from the researchers, which would be necessary to show that the claim was actually made by a scientist.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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There is a link to the paper in the articleOriginally posted by tabibito View Post
https://arxiv.org/pdf/1902.05080.pdf
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the experiment has been confirmed only determines that the results, the observations, meet the criteria of predictability of the hypothesis. This would remain subject to further research and experiments. This does not meet the criteria of claiming to 'know,' because the scientist do not 'know' the cause among many other unanswered questions concerning Quantum Mechanics behavior at the Quanta level of our physical existence.Originally posted by Sparko View PostLast edited by shunyadragon; 03-23-2019, 08:55 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.Comment
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Give it up Shunya. You have no idea what you are talking about.Originally posted by shunyadragon View Post
You are spewing gibberish again.
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