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The reason you have a special counsel investigate these matters is so that the decisions flowing from the investigation are apolitical. If Mueller could not make a decision about obstruction after two years, it is very odd that Barr could make a decision after two days. His predetermined view was that obstruction is impossible without an underlying crime, and that crime was collusion. But the real crimes that Trumpco were keen to obscure were financial crimes. Mueller’s investigation was narrow in scope but there are likely to be other prosecutors working on his financial misdeeds.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThe reason you have a special counsel investigate these matters is so that the decisions flowing from the investigation are apolitical. If Mueller could not make a decision about obstruction after two years, it is very odd that Barr could make a decision after two days.
His predetermined view was that obstruction is impossible without an underlying crime, and that crime was collusion.
But the real crimes that Trumpco were keen to obscure were financial crimes. Mueller’s investigation was narrow in scope but there are likely to be other prosecutors working on his financial misdeeds.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostThe reason you have a special counsel investigate these matters is so that the decisions flowing from the investigation are apolitical. If Mueller could not make a decision about obstruction after two years, it is very odd that Barr could make a decision after two days. His predetermined view was that obstruction is impossible without an underlying crime, and that crime was collusion. But the real crimes that Trumpco were keen to obscure were financial crimes. Mueller’s investigation was narrow in scope but there are likely to be other prosecutors working on his financial misdeeds.
WASHINGTON — Special counsel Robert Mueller and members of his team informed Attorney General William Barr three weeks ago that they would not reach a conclusion on whether the president had obstructed justice, according to a person familiar with the meeting...
...Critics had said Barr was too quick to react. However, the timing reveals that he had this information at least three weeks in advance of his decision.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...ld-not-n987041Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI think the term is "vindicated" - He has been declaring he did not collude with the Russians all along. The report vindicates him.
Also on MSNBC, right after the news broke, NBC national security and justice correspondent Julia Ainsley was reading the details, explaining that "Robert Mueller weighed in and said, 'that was not tacit. There was no coordination or conspiracy.'" causing host Katy Tur to interject, "So, this vindicates the President on collusion." Ainsley replied, "It does. So, it would vindicate him on collusion."
And on CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin announced that the report was a "total vindication" for Trump.
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"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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Originally posted by dirtfloor View PostIf Mueller could not make a decision about obstruction after two years, it is very odd that Barr could make a decision after two days.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSlowly and what appears with considerable reluctance a few of his critics are starting to use the "V" word to describe what happened. IIRC, that was what ABC News White House Correspondent Jon Karl told The View shrews wrt the allegation about collusion while they were still deep in denialism and putting forth conspiracy theories. Likewise Ken Dilanian, NBC News national security reporter, admitted on MSNBC's Kasie DC that the Mueller report was "complete vindication" of Trump and on Twitter wrote
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Also on MSNBC, right after the news broke, NBC national security and justice correspondent Julia Ainsley was reading the details, explaining that "Robert Mueller weighed in and said, 'that was not tacit. There was no coordination or conspiracy.'" causing host Katy Tur to interject, "So, this vindicates the President on collusion." Ainsley replied, "It does. So, it would vindicate him on collusion."
And on CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin announced that the report was a "total vindication" for Trump.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAgain, it wasn't just Barr, it was a number of top people in the DOJ, including Deputy AG Rosenstein. I even quoted you the relevant paragraph from the summary letter. To pretend that it was Barr working on his own in a partisan manner is either ignorant or dishonest. Since I already showed you the evidence, I'm inclined to go with the latter.
I already know that you are easy to please, like all MAGAists.Last edited by firstfloor; 03-27-2019, 03:32 AM.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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The Daily Caller has a run-down of a number of major "fake news" stories pushed by the MSM
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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So - what will be the next move by the MSM?
Claim that they were deliberately set up by Trump orchestrating the provision of fake leads?1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by dirtfloor View PostThe format of Mueller’s report was based on the Jaworski report and should be handeled in the same way by the House Judiciary Committee. It was not for Barr to decide guilt or innocence.Last edited by Mountain Man; 03-27-2019, 06:20 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostSo - what will be the next move by the MSM?
Claim that they were deliberately set up by Trump orchestrating the provision of fake leads?
For instance, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, known as the Queen of Collusion, is not backing down but rather is doubling down resorting to conspiracy theories where Attorney General William Barr deliberately misrepresenting Mueller's report.
On his MSNBC Hardball show Chris Matthews continues to angrily rant "If the President was so damn innocent, why does it take two years to get cleared of collusion?" One of his panelists, former Obama speechwriter Ben Rhodes announced that he summarily rejects Barr's 4-page summary because he is a Trump appointee.
On CNN the host of OutFront Erin Burnett is still insisting that the report is phony based on Rep. Adam Schiff's (D-Cal) oft repeated claim that he has mountains direct evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians. While discussing the matter with CNN crime and justice reporter Shimon Prokupecz she actually suggested that Mueller never actually looked into the matter of collusion saying "Was that even part of Mueller's investigation answering that question?"
As for Schiff himself, he is doubling down still proclaiming that "Undoubtedly there is collusion." His hysterical rants are leading to calls for him to step down as Chair of the House Intelligence Committee (which won't happen).
Earlier on Anderson Cooper's AC/360 CNN analyst Ralph Peters kept insisting that the totally debunked Steele dossier still "rings true to me" categorically ignoring Mueller’s findings. And on his show Chris Cuomo was having none of it contending that "there could be ample proof" of collusion in Mueller’s full report "folded into the counterintelligence investigation that the AG didn't even mention in his summary."
And at the New York Times they have a front page story questioning the credibility of Barr Barr’s Declaration on Trump Puts Justice Dept. Back in Political Crucible (the original title has been changed from "Barr’s Move Ignites a Debate: Is He Impartial?").
These attacks on Barr are increasing in frequency with Democrat Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi now huffing that Barr was appointed for a certain job, which is to ensure that Trump is above the law. All of this conveniently overlooks the fact that others like Rod Rosenstein, certainly no friend of Trump's, were also involved in releasing the summary.
OTOH, New York Times columnist David Brooks, who had predicted that Trump will either resign or be impeached within a year, is saying that the left and the Never Trumpers owe Trump an apologyLast edited by rogue06; 03-27-2019, 06:48 AM.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostAs I've pointed out twice already, Barr didn't make the decision on his own.“I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
“And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
“not all there” - you know who you are
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostSome are too invested in the story to let go.
For instance, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, known as the Queen of Collusion, is not backing down but rather is doubling down resorting to conspiracy theories where Attorney General William Barr deliberately misrepresenting Mueller's report.
On his MSNBC Hardball show Chris Matthews continues to angrily rant "If the President was so damn innocent, why does it take two years to get cleared of collusion?" One of his panelists, former Obama speechwriter Ben Rhodes announced that he summarily rejects Barr's 4-page summary because he is a Trump appointee.
On CNN the host of OutFront Erin Burnett is still insisting that the report is phony based on Rep. Adam Schiff's (D-Cal) oft repeated claim that he has mountains direct evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians. While discussing the matter with CNN crime and justice reporter Shimon Prokupecz she actually suggested that Mueller never actually looked into the matter of collusion saying "Was that even part of Mueller's investigation answering that question?"
As for Schiff himself, he is doubling down still proclaiming that "Undoubtedly there is collusion." His hysterical rants are leading to calls for him to step down as Chair of the House Intelligence Committee (which won't happen).
Earlier on Anderson Cooper's AC/360 CNN analyst Ralph Peters kept insisting that the totally debunked Steele dossier still "rings true to me" categorically ignoring Mueller’s findings. And on his show Chris Cuomo was having none of it contending that "there could be ample proof" of collusion in Mueller’s full report "folded into the counterintelligence investigation that the AG didn't even mention in his summary."
And at the New York Times they have a front page story questioning the credibility of Barr Barr’s Declaration on Trump Puts Justice Dept. Back in Political Crucible (the original title has been changed from "Barr’s Move Ignites a Debate: Is He Impartial?").
These attacks on Barr are increasing in frequency with Democrat Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi now huffing that Barr was appointed for a certain job, which is to ensure that Trump is above the law. All of this conveniently overlooks the fact that others like Rod Rosenstein, certainly no friend of Trump's, were also involved in releasing the summary.
OTOH, New York Times columnist David Brooks, who had predicted that Trump will either resign or be impeached within a year, is saying that the left and the Never Trumpers owe Trump an apology
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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