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  • #76
    Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
    You don’t know what it found because you have not read it. You may also recall that Barr was Trump’s pick for AG which means that he cannot be trusted to decide anything pertaining to Mueller’s report, which is likely only to be a factual report in any case. So, there is a long way still to go.
    As opposed to every other AG in history, all of whom were miraculously created ex nihilo and divinely ordained, rather than appointed by POTUS and approved by Senate.
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    • #77
      The reason you have a special counsel investigate these matters is so that the decisions flowing from the investigation are apolitical. If Mueller could not make a decision about obstruction after two years, it is very odd that Barr could make a decision after two days. His predetermined view was that obstruction is impossible without an underlying crime, and that crime was collusion. But the real crimes that Trumpco were keen to obscure were financial crimes. Mueller’s investigation was narrow in scope but there are likely to be other prosecutors working on his financial misdeeds.
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      • #78
        Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
        The reason you have a special counsel investigate these matters is so that the decisions flowing from the investigation are apolitical. If Mueller could not make a decision about obstruction after two years, it is very odd that Barr could make a decision after two days.
        Barr doesn't have to "reinvestigate" it -- Mueller and 40some FBI agents already did the work.

        His predetermined view was that obstruction is impossible without an underlying crime, and that crime was collusion.
        Actually, "collusion" is not necessarily a crime.

        But the real crimes that Trumpco were keen to obscure were financial crimes. Mueller’s investigation was narrow in scope but there are likely to be other prosecutors working on his financial misdeeds.
        No doubt the Libs will keep on trying, having failed to find collusion, which is what everybody was absolutely DETERMINED would be proven.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #79
          Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
          The reason you have a special counsel investigate these matters is so that the decisions flowing from the investigation are apolitical. If Mueller could not make a decision about obstruction after two years, it is very odd that Barr could make a decision after two days. His predetermined view was that obstruction is impossible without an underlying crime, and that crime was collusion. But the real crimes that Trumpco were keen to obscure were financial crimes. Mueller’s investigation was narrow in scope but there are likely to be other prosecutors working on his financial misdeeds.
          It looks like Barr had the obstruction stuff for three weeks...

          WASHINGTON — Special counsel Robert Mueller and members of his team informed Attorney General William Barr three weeks ago that they would not reach a conclusion on whether the president had obstructed justice, according to a person familiar with the meeting...

          ...Critics had said Barr was too quick to react. However, the timing reveals that he had this information at least three weeks in advance of his decision.

          https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/jus...ld-not-n987041
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          • #80
            Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            I think the term is "vindicated" - He has been declaring he did not collude with the Russians all along. The report vindicates him.
            Slowly and what appears with considerable reluctance a few of his critics are starting to use the "V" word to describe what happened. IIRC, that was what ABC News White House Correspondent Jon Karl told The View shrews wrt the allegation about collusion while they were still deep in denialism and putting forth conspiracy theories. Likewise Ken Dilanian, NBC News national security reporter, admitted on MSNBC's Kasie DC that the Mueller report was "complete vindication" of Trump and on Twitter wrote


            Also on MSNBC, right after the news broke, NBC national security and justice correspondent Julia Ainsley was reading the details, explaining that "Robert Mueller weighed in and said, 'that was not tacit. There was no coordination or conspiracy.'" causing host Katy Tur to interject, "So, this vindicates the President on collusion." Ainsley replied, "It does. So, it would vindicate him on collusion."

            And on CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin announced that the report was a "total vindication" for Trump.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post
              If Mueller could not make a decision about obstruction after two years, it is very odd that Barr could make a decision after two days.
              Again, it wasn't just Barr, it was a number of top people in the DOJ, including Deputy AG Rosenstein. I even quoted you the relevant paragraph from the summary letter. To pretend that it was Barr working on his own in a partisan manner is either ignorant or dishonest. Since I already showed you the evidence, I'm inclined to go with the latter.
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              • #82
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                Slowly and what appears with considerable reluctance a few of his critics are starting to use the "V" word to describe what happened. IIRC, that was what ABC News White House Correspondent Jon Karl told The View shrews wrt the allegation about collusion while they were still deep in denialism and putting forth conspiracy theories. Likewise Ken Dilanian, NBC News national security reporter, admitted on MSNBC's Kasie DC that the Mueller report was "complete vindication" of Trump and on Twitter wrote

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                Also on MSNBC, right after the news broke, NBC national security and justice correspondent Julia Ainsley was reading the details, explaining that "Robert Mueller weighed in and said, 'that was not tacit. There was no coordination or conspiracy.'" causing host Katy Tur to interject, "So, this vindicates the President on collusion." Ainsley replied, "It does. So, it would vindicate him on collusion."

                And on CNN legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin announced that the report was a "total vindication" for Trump.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                  Again, it wasn't just Barr, it was a number of top people in the DOJ, including Deputy AG Rosenstein. I even quoted you the relevant paragraph from the summary letter. To pretend that it was Barr working on his own in a partisan manner is either ignorant or dishonest. Since I already showed you the evidence, I'm inclined to go with the latter.
                  The format of Mueller’s report was based on the Jaworski report and should be handeled in the same way by the House Judiciary Committee. It was not for Barr to decide guilt or innocence.

                  I already know that you are easy to please, like all MAGAists.
                  Last edited by firstfloor; 03-27-2019, 03:32 AM.
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                  • #84
                    The Daily Caller has a run-down of a number of major "fake news" stories pushed by the MSM

                    Source: THE MEDIA’S RUSSIA ‘BOMBSHELLS’ LOOK EVEN WORSE NOW THAT MUELLER FOUND NO COLLUSION



                    Attorney General William Barr told Congress Sunday that special counsel Robert Mueller did not find collusion between the Trump campaign and the Russian government, destroying two years of media speculation and bad reporting.

                    The obsession to prove collusion has dampened the media’s journalistic abilities, leading to a seemingly endless list of corrections, retractions and apologies.

                    n light of Mueller concluding his investigation, we’ve compiled a list of some of the worst media screwups in the history of Russia theories.

                    1. CNN Accuses Don Jr. Of Wikileaks Collusion

                    Last December, CNN’s Manu Raju reported that Wikileaks emailed Donald Trump Jr. to give him access to stolen documents a full 10 days before they were released to the public.

                    Unfortunately for CNN, it turns out their sources gave them the wrong date. Don Jr. actually received an email with access to the stolen docs on Sept. 14, 2016, after they had already been released publicly.

                    2. ABC Tanks Stock Market With Fake Flynn News

                    ABC was forced to suspend Brian Ross after he falsely reported that former national security adviser Michael Flynn was prepared to testify that then-candidate Donald Trump ordered him to make contact with the Russians.

                    The stock market dropped a few hundred points at the news — but it turned out to be fake.

                    ABC clarified that Flynn was actually prepared to testify that Trump asked him to contact Russia while the administration was transitioning into office. Pretty standard preparation for an incoming president.

                    3. The Mooch Is NOT Under Investigation

                    CNN earns another spot on this list for their shoddy reporting about former Trump adviser Anthony, “The Mooch,” Scaramucci. In June 2017, CNN relied on a single unnamed source to claim that Scaramucci was under investigation for a meeting he took with a Russian banker prior to Trump’s inauguration.

                    The Mooch denied the story and CNN later gave him a much-deserved apology. Oh … and three CNN employees resigned over the botched piece.

                    4. Bloomberg’s Dirty Deutsche Bank Scoop

                    Bloomberg initially reported in December that special counsel Robert Mueller had “zeroed in” on Trump by subpoenaing Deutsche Bank records for the incoming president and his family.

                    Bloomberg later admitted that Mueller was looking for records relating to “people affiliated” with Trump.

                    5. Sessions Exonerated

                    Last May, CNN was sure that Attorney General Jeff Sessions had botched protocol when he didn’t list meetings he had with the Russian ambassador on his security clearance forms. To CNN and other establishment media outlets, this was proof that Sessions was hiding something related to Russia.

                    A little over six months later, CNN quietly walked back the scandal, explaining the FBI sent emails informing Sessions’ aide that he did not need to disclose the meetings on his forms because they were carried out in the course of his duties as a senator.

                    6. Russians Aren’t Just Hacking The Election — They’re Hacking Our Power Grid

                    The Washington Post claimed in January 2017 that Russians were hacking the U.S. power grid through a company in Vermont, only to change the story to say that only one laptop was infiltrated. It turns out that one laptop was never even connected to the power grid.

                    7. Republicans Funded The Dossier!

                    A number of news outlets have consistently claimed that Republicans initially paid for the anti-Trump Steele dossier, failing to note that Steele wasn’t even contracted by Fusion GPS until after the GOP donors pulled funding. The Republican donors say they paid Fusion for standard opposition research and that they have zero connection to the dossier.

                    The media has perpetuated this falsehood so consistently that even former FBI director James Comey was confused, repeating the lie in an interview with Fox News’ Bret Baier.

                    8. CNN Gets Comey Prediction Wildly Wrong

                    Prior to former FBI director James Comey’s congressional testimony last June, CNN asserted that Comey was prepared to contradict a key claim by President Trump — that Comey told him he was not under investigation.

                    Sadly for them, Comey’s prepared testimony was released with the line, “During our one-on-one meeting at Trump Tower … I offered that assurance [that he was not under investigation].”

                    9. The ’17 Intel Agencies’ Lie

                    The media perpetuated a false claim from presidential candidate Hillary Clinton for months, insisting that all 17 intelligence agencies agree that Russia interfered in the 2016 election. The New York Times, for example, rated that claim as true only to later say the exact opposite.

                    Only four intelligence agencies ultimately deemed Russia responsible for meddling because the other 13 have no business making judgments on the claim. As The NYT succinctly explained, “The rest were doing other work.”

                    10. Manafort Notes Are A Nothing Burger

                    NBC botched its big scoop claiming that Paul Manafort’s notes from a meeting with a Russian lawyer included the word “donations” near a reference to the Republican National Committee.

                    Turns out, not only did the word “donations” not appear in Manafort’s notes, but the word “donor” didn’t, either. POLITICO had to correct the NBC report, leaving the legacy network looking awfully embarrassed.

                    11. NBC Issues Cohen Correction

                    NBC issued a major correction in May on a story about wiretaps and Michael Cohen.

                    NBC initially claimed that federal investigators were listening in on Cohen’s phone calls, but it turns out they had what’s called a “pen register warrant,” which means they could see who Cohen spoke to on the phone but could not hear what was said.(RELATED: MSNBC Issues HUGE Correction To Michael Cohen ‘Wiretap’ Story)

                    12. Did Cohen Go To Prague?

                    A McClatchy report stated that special counsel Robert Mueller had evidence that Michael Cohen visited Prague in the summer of 2016, which seemed to corroborate the portion of the Steele dossier claiming Cohen visited Prague at that time to meet with a Kremlin official.

                    However, no other outlets ever confirmed the report and Cohen told Congress during an open hearing in February that he has never been to Prague. (RELATED: Here’s Why You Should Be Skeptical Of That Michael Cohen Prague Story)

                    13. Busted BuzzFeed

                    The special counsel’s office disputed a 2019 report by BuzzFeed claiming that Trump directed his lawyer to lie about a potential business deal in Moscow during the 2016 presidential campaign.

                    The BuzzFeed report was used to float impeachment proceedings and obstruction of justice charges against the president, but Mueller’s team disputed the core premise of the reporting.

                    “BuzzFeed’s description of specific statements to the Special Counsel’s Office, and characterization of documents and testimony obtained by this office, regarding Michael Cohen’s Congressional testimony are not accurate,” spokesman Peter Carr said in a statement to The Daily Caller News Foundation.

                    14. Lanny Davis Obliterates CNN’s Trump Tower Story

                    CNN reported in July that former Trump attorney Michael Cohen was prepared to tell special counsel Robert Mueller that the president had knowledge in advance of a Trump Tower meeting between his son and Russians.

                    But Cohen’s lawyer, Lanny Davis, said in August that CNN’s reporting got “mixed up” and that Cohen had no information related to the Trump Tower meeting. Cohen said the same to Congress on two separate occasions.

                    CNN doubled, tripled, and quadrupled down on its reporting, despite a series of issues with the report.

                    15. NPR Accuses Don Jr. Of Perjury

                    NPR published a report in November insisting that Donald Trump Jr. lied to Congress about efforts to build a Trump Tower in Moscow because his statements conflicted with those of former Trump attorney Michael Cohen.

                    However, NPR failed to realize that the piece of Trump Jr.’s testimony they quoted was about a different project.

                    “Trump Jr.’s statements about work on a Trump Tower Moscow that ended in 2014 referred to negotiations with Aras Agalarov,” The Daily Caller News Foundation’s Chuck Ross explained. “Felix Sater, a businessman with links to Cohen and Russian officials, tried to make a Trump Tower Moscow happen in 2015.”

                    16. Mic Claims Russian Spy Infiltrated The Oval

                    Shortly after it was revealed that a Russian spy was attempting to infiltrate right-wing networks, Mic writer Emily Singer claimed that same Russian spy was present during an Oval Office meeting with Russian diplomat Sergey Lavrov.

                    Singer claimed Russian spy Maria Butina was spotted in a photo of the meeting, citing the fact that she has red hair like the woman in the photo.

                    The woman in the photo is actually NSC staffer Cari Lutkins.


                    Source

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                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #85
                      So - what will be the next move by the MSM?

                      Claim that they were deliberately set up by Trump orchestrating the provision of fake leads?
                      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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                      Scripture before Tradition:
                      but that won't prevent others from
                      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                      of the right to call yourself Christian.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by dirtfloor View Post
                        The format of Mueller’s report was based on the Jaworski report and should be handeled in the same way by the House Judiciary Committee. It was not for Barr to decide guilt or innocence.
                        As I've pointed out twice already, Barr didn't make the decision on his own.
                        Last edited by Mountain Man; 03-27-2019, 06:20 AM.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #87
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                          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                          .
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                          Scripture before Tradition:
                          but that won't prevent others from
                          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                          of the right to call yourself Christian.

                          ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                          • #88
                            Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                            So - what will be the next move by the MSM?

                            Claim that they were deliberately set up by Trump orchestrating the provision of fake leads?
                            Some are too invested in the story to let go.

                            For instance, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, known as the Queen of Collusion, is not backing down but rather is doubling down resorting to conspiracy theories where Attorney General William Barr deliberately misrepresenting Mueller's report.

                            On his MSNBC Hardball show Chris Matthews continues to angrily rant "If the President was so damn innocent, why does it take two years to get cleared of collusion?" One of his panelists, former Obama speechwriter Ben Rhodes announced that he summarily rejects Barr's 4-page summary because he is a Trump appointee.

                            On CNN the host of OutFront Erin Burnett is still insisting that the report is phony based on Rep. Adam Schiff's (D-Cal) oft repeated claim that he has mountains direct evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians. While discussing the matter with CNN crime and justice reporter Shimon Prokupecz she actually suggested that Mueller never actually looked into the matter of collusion saying "Was that even part of Mueller's investigation answering that question?"

                            As for Schiff himself, he is doubling down still proclaiming that "Undoubtedly there is collusion." His hysterical rants are leading to calls for him to step down as Chair of the House Intelligence Committee (which won't happen).

                            Earlier on Anderson Cooper's AC/360 CNN analyst Ralph Peters kept insisting that the totally debunked Steele dossier still "rings true to me" categorically ignoring Mueller’s findings. And on his show Chris Cuomo was having none of it contending that "there could be ample proof" of collusion in Mueller’s full report "folded into the counterintelligence investigation that the AG didn't even mention in his summary."

                            And at the New York Times they have a front page story questioning the credibility of Barr Barr’s Declaration on Trump Puts Justice Dept. Back in Political Crucible (the original title has been changed from "Barr’s Move Ignites a Debate: Is He Impartial?").

                            These attacks on Barr are increasing in frequency with Democrat Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi now huffing that Barr was appointed for a certain job, which is to ensure that Trump is above the law. All of this conveniently overlooks the fact that others like Rod Rosenstein, certainly no friend of Trump's, were also involved in releasing the summary.

                            OTOH, New York Times columnist David Brooks, who had predicted that Trump will either resign or be impeached within a year, is saying that the left and the Never Trumpers owe Trump an apology
                            Last edited by rogue06; 03-27-2019, 06:48 AM.

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                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                              As I've pointed out twice already, Barr didn't make the decision on his own.
                              True, just him and Roddy though!
                              “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                              “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                              “not all there” - you know who you are

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                Some are too invested in the story to let go.

                                For instance, MSNBC's Rachel Maddow, known as the Queen of Collusion, is not backing down but rather is doubling down resorting to conspiracy theories where Attorney General William Barr deliberately misrepresenting Mueller's report.

                                On his MSNBC Hardball show Chris Matthews continues to angrily rant "If the President was so damn innocent, why does it take two years to get cleared of collusion?" One of his panelists, former Obama speechwriter Ben Rhodes announced that he summarily rejects Barr's 4-page summary because he is a Trump appointee.

                                On CNN the host of OutFront Erin Burnett is still insisting that the report is phony based on Rep. Adam Schiff's (D-Cal) oft repeated claim that he has mountains direct evidence of collusion between Trump and the Russians. While discussing the matter with CNN crime and justice reporter Shimon Prokupecz she actually suggested that Mueller never actually looked into the matter of collusion saying "Was that even part of Mueller's investigation answering that question?"

                                As for Schiff himself, he is doubling down still proclaiming that "Undoubtedly there is collusion." His hysterical rants are leading to calls for him to step down as Chair of the House Intelligence Committee (which won't happen).

                                Earlier on Anderson Cooper's AC/360 CNN analyst Ralph Peters kept insisting that the totally debunked Steele dossier still "rings true to me" categorically ignoring Mueller’s findings. And on his show Chris Cuomo was having none of it contending that "there could be ample proof" of collusion in Mueller’s full report "folded into the counterintelligence investigation that the AG didn't even mention in his summary."

                                And at the New York Times they have a front page story questioning the credibility of Barr Barr’s Declaration on Trump Puts Justice Dept. Back in Political Crucible (the original title has been changed from "Barr’s Move Ignites a Debate: Is He Impartial?").

                                These attacks on Barr are increasing in frequency with Democrat Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi now huffing that Barr was appointed for a certain job, which is to ensure that Trump is above the law. All of this conveniently overlooks the fact that others like Rod Rosenstein, certainly no friend of Trump's, were also involved in releasing the summary.

                                OTOH, New York Times columnist David Brooks, who had predicted that Trump will either resign or be impeached within a year, is saying that the left and the Never Trumpers owe Trump an apology

                                I'm always still in trouble again

                                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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