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  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    In other words, Trump listened to his advisors, or he at least had the good sense to not force the issue through other channels that were available to him, including direct executive action.

    The way Mueller's report reads, it's like a cop pulling you over and saying, "You know, if you had run that red light then you would have broken the law." You say, "But I didn't run the red light." And he says, "Yes, but IF you had..."

    Imagine a prosecutor trying to take that story to a judge.
    As opposed, of course, to Comey laying out an ironclad case for Hillary to go to prison - no woulda shoulda coulda - then pulling back and saying "no reasonable prosecutor...."
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      That's the point that the left and the MSM (being redundant here) keeps hoping that their low information voters don't realize. It wouldn't have been a crime (obstruction of justice or otherwise) if Trump had fired Mueller. He would have been fully within his authority to do so. Any price he would possibly have paid would not have been legal but rather political -- at the ballot box in 2020.
      Obstruction as opposed to what Clinton did:

      Article III charged Clinton with attempting to obstruct justice in the Jones case by:[22]

      1.encouraging Lewinsky to file a false affidavit
      2.encouraging Lewinsky to give false testimony if and when she was called to testify
      3.concealing gifts he had given to Lewinsky that had been subpoenaed
      4.attempting to secure a job for Lewinsky to influence her testimony
      5.permitting his lawyer to make false statements characterizing Lewinsky's affidavit
      6.attempting to tamper with the possible testimony of his secretary Betty Curie
      7.making false and misleading statements to potential grand jury witnesses

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac..._investigation
      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        If you say so, then I must be correctomundo!



        You kinda skipped the part where, first, there has to actually be a crime, and, lo and behold, there's not even an indictment.
        You kinda ignored the part that there being no indictment in this case doesn't mean there was no crime. Mueller spells out the crimes for you, but not being mindful of those fact thingies, you can believe whatever you like.

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        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
          Actually you “kinda skipped the part” where, according to the Report, Trump may have escaped a finding that he committed the crime of obstructing justice only because his top aides refused to carry out his explicit illegal orders.

          https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...leased-1280960
          Actually, Trump only escaped an indictment because he is the president who according to a 2000 law can not be indicted. Mueller made it clear that he was leaving it, because he had no choice, up to Congress to do their constitutional duty and hold the president accountable. No man, including the president, is above the law. Although their are many republicans who seem to turn a blind eye to the standard even if the law broken is in coordination with a foriegn adversary.

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          • Originally posted by JimL View Post
            You kinda ignored the part that there being no indictment in this case doesn't mean there was no crime. Mueller spells out the crimes for you, but not being mindful of those fact thingies, you can believe whatever you like.
            Putting it correctly - he found no grounds for indictment.
            As opposed to (if Seer is correct) finding grounds for indictment, but choosing to not proceed.
            1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
            .
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            Scripture before Tradition:
            but that won't prevent others from
            taking it upon themselves to deprive you
            of the right to call yourself Christian.

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Ah, so there was no crime, and you are firmly mired in the mud of woulda shoulda coulda!
              Ah, so you are committed to acting the idiot to the end! No crime, Trump, no crime, his administration, no crimes? Is it cognitive dissonance, or are you complicit?

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              • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                Putting it correctly - he found no grounds for indictment.
                As opposed to (if Seer is correct) finding grounds for indictment, but choosing to not proceed.
                Wrong, read it, comprehend it, instead of repeating the right wing spin.

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                • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                  Ah, so you are committed to acting the idiot to the end! No crime, Trump, no crime, his administration, no crimes? Is it cognitive dissonance, or are you complicit?
                  Sure, Jimmy, and I should be in jail right now, yes?
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                    Wrong, read it, comprehend it, instead of repeating the right wing spin.
                    I generally get my information about Trump from left wing sources. Right wing sources here have other fish to fry.
                    1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                    .
                    ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                    Scripture before Tradition:
                    but that won't prevent others from
                    taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                    of the right to call yourself Christian.

                    ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                    • Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                      Putting it correctly - he found no grounds for indictment.
                      As opposed to (if Seer is correct) finding grounds for indictment, but choosing to not proceed.
                      That's exactly right. In fact, Mueller's report explicitly states multiple times that the President was not found to have committed any crimes.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        As opposed, of course, to Comey laying out an ironclad case for Hillary to go to prison - no woulda shoulda coulda - then pulling back and saying "no reasonable prosecutor...."
                        To which a slew of federal prosecutors both past and present made it crystal clear that they would have had no trouble prosecuting her based on the evidence that was laid out.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Sure, Jimmy, and I should be in jail right now, yes?
                          Only if ignorance, or cognitive dissonance, is a crime.

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                          • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            Actually you “kinda skipped the part” where, according to the Report, Trump may have escaped a finding that he committed the crime of obstructing justice only because his top aides refused to carry out his explicit illegal orders.

                            https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...leased-1280960
                            Please pay attention to the post immediately above yours which I'll repost just for you.
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            That's the point that the left and the MSM (being redundant here) keeps hoping that their low information voters don't realize. It wouldn't have been a crime (obstruction of justice or otherwise) if Trump had fired Mueller. He would have been fully within his authority to do so. Any price he would possibly have paid would not have been legal but rather political -- at the ballot box in 2020.

                            In your case you aren't a low information voter but rather an ignorant foreigner merely regurgitating the pap meant for low information voters.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Please pay attention to the post immediately above yours which I'll repost just for you.

                              In your case you aren't a low information voter but rather an ignorant foreigner merely regurgitating the pap meant for low information voters.
                              Wrong, He may have the authority to fire Mueller, but he doesn't have the right to obstruct an investigation which is what he would be doing by firing Mueller. Don MCGahn, Lewendowski, Sessions, Coates et al, didn't refuse to carry out Trumps illegal orders to lie to prosecutors and to fire Mueller because they knew they would be putting themselves in legal jeopardy if they did so. luckily for them, they are much smarter than you rogue.

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                              • Originally posted by JimL View Post
                                Wrong, He may have the authority to fire Mueller, but he doesn't have the right to obstruct an investigation which is what he would be doing by firing Mueller. Don MCGahn, Lewendowski, Sessions, Coates et al, didn't refuse to carry out Trumps illegal orders to lie to prosecutors and to fire Mueller because they knew they would be putting themselves in legal jeopardy if they did so. luckily for them, they are much smarter than you rogue.
                                Jim that is nuts, there would have been no legal jeopardy since nothing illegal would have been done. And again you only know about this because Trump did not assert executive privilege, which was his Constitutional right.
                                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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